Topband Mailing List (thread)

Topband: Softrock SDR, David Cole, 2008/12/31
Re: Topband: Silver Solder Techniques, W8AV, 2008/12/31
Topband: City Lots Redux and Radials Concepts, doktorij, 2008/12/30
Topband: W7IUV preamp info, Larry Molitor, 2008/12/30
- Topband: W7IUV preamp info, Lee K7TJR, 2008/12/30
Topband: RFI, John, 2008/12/30
- Re: Topband: RFI, Jim Brown, 2008/12/31
Topband: Boring Update - 30-Dec, Tree, 2008/12/30
- Topband: Boring Update - 30-Dec, Lee K7TJR, 2008/12/30
Topband: W7IUV preamplifier and other questions..., calle . jonsson, 2008/12/30
Topband: City Lots, doktorij, 2008/12/30
- Re: Topband: City Lots, Jim Brown, 2008/12/30
  - Topband: Silver solder techniques, Tree, 2008/12/30
    - Re: Topband: Silver solder techniques, Rick Karlquist, 2008/12/30
    - Re: Topband: Silver solder techniques, K9AY, 2008/12/31
- Re: Topband: City Lots, wb6rse1, 2008/12/30
- Re: Topband: City Lots, Guy Olinger, K2AV, 2008/12/30
Topband: Preamplifier W7IUV and others questions, Paul, 2008/12/30
- Re: Topband: Preamplifier W7IUV and others questions, Russ Tobolic, 2008/12/30
- Re: Topband: Preamplifier W7IUV and others questions, Dan Zimmerman N3OX, 2008/12/30
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  - Re: Topband: Preamplifier W7IUV and others questions, Paul, 2008/12/30
- Re: Topband: Preamplifier W7IUV and others questions, Michael James, 2008/12/30
Topband: CQ 160M Plaque Sponsorship Opportunities, Doug Grant, 2008/12/30
Topband: Inverted L SWR change, Gary Smith, 2008/12/30
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  - Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR change, Gary Smith, 2008/12/30
    - Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR change, sebdesn, 2008/12/30
- Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR change, wa5pok, 2008/12/30
- Re: Topband: Inverted L SWR change, Guy Olinger, K2AV, 2008/12/30
Topband: City Lots, Jim Brown, 2008/12/29
Topband: Boring update - Stew - XMAS and Snow, Tree, 2008/12/29
Topband: Radial ideas for a small yard, doktorij, 2008/12/29
Topband: Back again, Merv Schweigert, 2008/12/29
Topband: Matching Transformer, Dennis OConnor, 2008/12/29
Topband: radial location, özer öksüz, 2008/12/28
- Re: Topband: radial location, GEORGE WALLNER, 2008/12/29
[CQ-Contest] The 13 Edition of The Stew Perry, Lew Sayre, 2008/12/28
Topband: Stew Perry Rules?, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/28
- Re: Topband: Stew Perry Rules?, Henk Remijn PA5KT, 2008/12/28
  - Re: Topband: Stew Perry Rules?, Jim Brown, 2008/12/28
- Re: Topband: Stew Perry Rules?, Sam Morgan, 2008/12/28
  - Re: Topband: Stew Perry Rules?, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/28
Topband: source for Beverage resistors, DAVID CUTHBERT, 2008/12/27
Topband: Morning Stew Perry from DM91, Sam Morgan, 2008/12/27
- Re: Topband: Morning Stew Perry from DM91, Sam Morgan, 2008/12/28
Topband: Plaque List- Stew Perry, Lew Sayre, 2008/12/26
Topband: min megohm res = ok coax, Ed Hughes, 2008/12/26
Topband: Inv.L relocating, Randy Lake, 2008/12/26
Topband: Conditions for the Stew, steve . root, 2008/12/26
Topband: It's Almost Here-The Stew Perry TopBand Test, Lew Sayre, 2008/12/26
- Re: Topband: It's Almost Here-The Stew Perry TopBand Test, f8bpn, 2008/12/26
Topband: ready for stew perry, mike l dol dormann, 2008/12/25
- Re: Topband: ready for stew perry, mike l dol dormann, 2008/12/26
Topband: Matching Transformer, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/25
- Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, Jim Brown, 2008/12/26
  - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/26
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, GEORGE WALLNER, 2008/12/26
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    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/26
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/26
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, Jim Brown, 2008/12/26
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/26
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, Herb Schoenbohm, 2008/12/27
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, Jim Brown, 2008/12/28
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/28
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, Joe Subich, W4TV, 2008/12/28
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/28
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, Jim Brown, 2008/12/28
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/28
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, Joe Subich, W4TV, 2008/12/28
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, Jim Brown, 2008/12/29
- Topband: Matching Transformer, Lee K7TJR, 2008/12/28
- Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, Jim Brown, 2008/12/29
  - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/29
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, Herb Schoenbohm, 2008/12/30
    - Re: Topband: Matching Transformer, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/30
- Topband: Matching Transformer, Lee K7TJR, 2008/12/30
  - Topband: New Bev what to expect to hear??, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/30
Topband: Arcala 160m Beam, ROBERT FERGUSON, 2008/12/25
Topband: Questions from CO8LY, Eduardo Somoano C, 2008/12/25
Re: Topband: Topband Digest, Vol 72, Issue 28, Kevin Schavee, 2008/12/25
[RFI] From CO8LY, Eduardo Somoano C, 2008/12/25
Topband: OH8X 160m Yagi, Bill Tippett, 2008/12/25
- Re: Topband: OH8X 160m Yagi, Alex, 2008/12/25
Topband: 2007 Stew Perry Plaque, Ray Cameron, 2008/12/25
Topband: Microwave Tower on 160 meters, Phil Theis, 2008/12/24
- Re: Topband: Microwave Tower on 160 meters, Jim Brown, 2008/12/25
- Re: Topband: Microwave Tower on 160 meters, Bill Tippett, 2008/12/25
  - Re: Topband: Microwave Tower on 160 meters, Joe Subich, W4TV, 2008/12/25
Topband: comparison, Kevin Schavee, 2008/12/24
- Re: Topband: comparison, Jim Brown, 2008/12/24
- Re: Topband: comparison, Herb Schoenbohm, 2008/12/24
- Re: Topband: comparison, GEORGE WALLNER, 2008/12/24
- Re: Topband: comparison, Guy Olinger, K2AV, 2008/12/24
- Re: Topband: comparison, k4pi, 2008/12/24
- Re: Topband: Comparison, Mark Beckwith, 2008/12/26
Topband: XMAS Eve Boring Report, Tree, 2008/12/24
Topband: Jack VE1ZZ, EP Swynar, 2008/12/24
- Topband: Jack VE1ZZ - happy birthday and healthy 2K9!, Petr Ourednik, 2008/12/25
Topband: Subject: Re: Subject: RE: HF2V modification in CQ magazine = HF3B byIT9ZMX, info please., Bill Tippett, 2008/12/24
Topband: The Stew Perry Extravaganza, Lew Sayre, 2008/12/24
Topband: Space is just a little bit closer, RK, 2008/12/24
Topband: Subject: RE: HF2V modification in CQ magazine = HF3B by IT9ZMX, info please., Bill Tippett, 2008/12/23
Topband: HF2V modification in CQ magazine = HF3B by IT9ZMX, info please., Ffive VHN, 2008/12/23
Topband: Base insulators, doktorij, 2008/12/22
Topband: IOTA EU-96/Stew Perry., Jouni Tarvainen OH4KZM, 2008/12/22
Topband: 160 receive antennas, John Harden, D.M.D., 2008/12/22
Topband: CO8LY in 160Mts, Eduardo Somoano C, 2008/12/21
Topband: Searching for beverage info, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/21
- Topband: Also Searching for beverage info, Mike & Becca Krzystyniak, 2008/12/21
  - Re: Topband: Also Searching for beverage info, Herbert Schoenbohm, 2008/12/22
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    - Re: Topband: Also Searching for beverage info, Herbert Schoenbohm, 2008/12/23
- Re: Topband: Searching for beverage info, Les Kalmus, 2008/12/21
- Re: Topband: Searching for beverage info, donhall161, 2008/12/21
- Re: Topband: Searching for beverage info, Jim Brown, 2008/12/21
- Re: Topband: Searching for beverage info, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/21
- Re: Topband: Searching for beverage info, doktorij, 2008/12/22
Topband: Boring Report - 21 December, Tree, 2008/12/21
- Re: Topband: Boring Report - 21 December, Vlad, RA4LW, 2008/12/21
Topband: CO8LY in 160mtrs, Eduardo Somoano C, 2008/12/20
Topband: Boring Report - 20Dec, Tree, 2008/12/20
Topband: Zone 23 UA0YAY, Neil G0JHC, 2008/12/20
- Re: Topband: Zone 23 UA0YAY, RADIO reflectors, 2008/12/20
Topband: Boring Report - 19-Dec, Tree, 2008/12/19
Topband: Zone 23, Bill Tippett, 2008/12/19
Topband: Zone 23, Neil G0JHC, 2008/12/19
- Re: Topband: Zone 23, Bill Tippett, 2008/12/19
- Topband: Zone 23, George \(K8GG\) & Marijke Guerin, 2008/12/20
- Re: Topband: Zone 23, Bill Tippett, 2008/12/20
Topband: Need crazy man, Trottman Compound, 2008/12/18
Topband: Resource Information, RK, 2008/12/18
Topband: Holes in Earth's magnetic cloak let the sun in, RK, 2008/12/18
Topband: Boring Report (and answer to trivia question), Tree, 2008/12/18
Topband: Boring Report - 17Dec2008, Tree, 2008/12/17
[CQ-Contest] The Stew Perry Classic, Lew Sayre, 2008/12/16
Topband: Good tuner for 160M, Dennis OConnor, 2008/12/15
Topband: NA sunset opening, Lennart, 2008/12/15
- Re: Topband: NA sunset opening, Greg - ZL3IX, 2008/12/15
Re: Topband: Good tuner for 160M, Jim Murray, 2008/12/13
- Re: Topband: Good tuner for 160M, Jim Murray, 2008/12/15
Topband: ARRL 160M Contest - what happended to the propagation? (or about the lack of propagation at VK2), Tomas Magyla, 2008/12/13
Topband: Polarisation coupling effects at MF??, Bill Tippett, 2008/12/13
- Re: Topband: Polarisation coupling effects at MF??, Jim Brown, 2008/12/13
Topband: Good tuner for 160 m, w8uvz, 2008/12/13
- Re: Topband: Good tuner for 160 m, Jim Brown, 2008/12/13
  - Re: Topband: Good tuner for 160 m, John Bastin, 2008/12/13
- Re: Topband: Good tuner for 160 m, George \(K8GG\) & Marijke Guerin, 2008/12/13
  - Re: Topband: Good tuner for 160 m, wa5pok, 2008/12/14
    - Re: Topband: Good tuner for 160 m, Guy Olinger, K2AV, 2008/12/14
    - Re: Topband: Good tuner for 160 m, wa5pok, 2008/12/15
Topband: Stew Perry Will Predict CQ 160 CW Conditions & Rules Change, Jeff Maass, 2008/12/13
Topband: 160 tuners, W5JMW, 2008/12/13
Re: Topband: lists.contesting.com/_topband/2007-04/msg00028.html, Jeff Le Fouler F6AOJ, 2008/12/12
Topband: Boring report - audio edition, Tree, 2008/12/12
- Re: Topband: Boring report - audio edition, John Bastin, 2008/12/13
Topband: 5KØT, wb6rse1, 2008/12/12
Topband: Stew Perry Alert!, Lew Sayre, 2008/12/12
Topband: Vee Beams, Jorge Diez - CX6VM, 2008/12/11
- Re: Topband: Vee Beams, Ken Brown, 2008/12/12
- Re: Topband: Vee Beams, GEORGE WALLNER, 2008/12/12
- Re: Topband: Vee Beams, Gedking, 2008/12/11
- Re: Topband: Vee Beams, Bill Tippett, 2008/12/12
  - Re: Topband: Vee Beams, K4SAV, 2008/12/12
  - Re: Topband: Vee Beams, GEORGE WALLNER, 2008/12/12
    - Re: Topband: Vee Beams, Greg - ZL3IX, 2008/12/12
    - Topband: Polarisation coupling effects at MF??, LY2IJ, 2008/12/13
    - Re: Topband: Polarisation coupling effects at MF??, Carl K9LA, 2008/12/13
  - Re: Topband: Vee Beams, Herbert Schoenbohm, 2008/12/12
- Re: Topband: Vee Beams, Terry Conboy, 2008/12/12
[CQ-Contest] 2008 PreStew results now available, Tree, 2008/12/11
Topband: Tuner ??? on 160, K0YR, 2008/12/10
- Re: Topband: Tuner ??? on 160, K9AY, 2008/12/11
- Re: Topband: Tuner ??? on 160, LA5HE Ragnar Otterstad, 2008/12/12
  - Re: Topband: Tuner ??? on 160, Shelby Summerville, 2008/12/12
    - Re: Topband: Tuner ??? on 160, Dave Sharred, 2008/12/13
    - Re: Topband: Tuner ??? on 160, Chris G3SVL, 2008/12/13
    - Re: Topband: Tuner ??? on 160, GEORGE WALLNER, 2008/12/13
- Re: Topband: Tuner ??? on 160, Jeff Maass, 2008/12/13
[CQ-Contest] ARRL 160 stories, K9AY, 2008/12/10
Topband: de n7dd, PACER99, 2008/12/09
- Re: Topband: de n7dd, John Bastin, 2008/12/09
Re: Topband: Tall tower with large antenna atop, Donald Chester, 2008/12/09
Topband: base insulator source/suggestions?, doktorij, 2008/12/09
Topband: Audio Recordings ARRL160M 2008 from PI4TUE?, Aurelio - PC5A, 2008/12/09
- Re: Topband: Audio Recordings ARRL160M 2008 from PI4TUE?, Tree, 2008/12/09
Topband: 160 towers, Craig Clark, 2008/12/09
Topband: Coping with noise - responses, Charles Bibb, 2008/12/09
Topband: 160m L impedance??, Dennis OConnor, 2008/12/09
Topband: Anton Moehammad Antenna, k4pi, 2008/12/09
Topband: loading towers, N7DF, 2008/12/09
Topband: Shunt Fed Tower, Stan Stockton, 2008/12/09
- Re: Topband: Shunt Fed Tower, W8AV, 2008/12/09
  - Re: Topband: Shunt Fed Tower, Ken Brown, 2008/12/09
    - Re: Topband: Shunt Fed Tower, Jon Zaimes AA1K, 2008/12/11
Topband: (no subject), Anton Moehammad, 2008/12/09
- Topband: (no subject), Jeff, 2008/12/27
  - Re: Topband: (no subject), Jim Brown, 2008/12/28
  - Re: Topband: (no subject), Herb Schoenbohm, 2008/12/28
Topband: Great Salt Lake, DAVID CUTHBERT, 2008/12/09
Topband: shunt fed towers, John, 2008/12/08
- Re: Topband: shunt fed towers, Tree, 2008/12/09
- Re: Topband: shunt fed towers, Guy Olinger, K2AV, 2008/12/09
- Topband: shunt fed towers, John, 2008/12/09
Topband: AMECO PLF-2 preamp, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/08
Topband: Contest - rig problems., Mike & Coreen Smith, 2008/12/08
- Re: Topband: Contest - rig problems., Herbert Schoenbohm, 2008/12/09
Topband: 160m L impedance??, John, 2008/12/08
- Re: Topband: 160m L impedance??, Cliff Frescura, 2008/12/08
- Re: Topband: 160m L impedance??, Herb Schoenbohm, 2008/12/09
- Re: Topband: 160m L impedance??, Jim Brown, 2008/12/09
Topband: ARRL 160 snooze report, RK, 2008/12/08
Topband: Coping with Noise, Charles Bibb, 2008/12/08
- Re: Topband: Coping with Noise, Tree, 2008/12/08
- Re: Topband: Coping with Noise, Gedking, 2008/12/08
Topband: Boring report (mostly Boring), Tree, 2008/12/08
Topband: MTU-160, Ron Todd, 2008/12/08
Topband: Subject: Topband Puzzle, Greg Chartrand, 2008/12/08
Topband: 5K0T Update -- Final, GEORGE WALLNER, 2008/12/08
Topband: Receive Problem, Jim Murray, 2008/12/08
Topband: Gamma on tall tower question, Charles W. Shaw, 2008/12/08
Topband: Top Band is fun now, AD5VJ Bob, 2008/12/08
Topband: Topband Puzzle, Tod -ID, 2008/12/08
Topband: The 13th Running of The Stew Perry TopBand Distance Challenge, Lew Sayre, 2008/12/07
Topband: Live Audio & S Meter Video - NOTES, Stan Stockton, 2008/12/07
Topband: WTX section activity in ARRL 160m test, Sam M, 2008/12/07
- Re: Topband: WTX section activity in ARRL 160m test, B & B Gill, 2008/12/08
- Re: Topband: WTX section activity in ARRL 160m test, Milt, N5IA, 2008/12/08
- Re: Topband: WTX section activity in ARRL 160m test, Sam M, 2008/12/09
Topband: Live Audio and S Meter Video, Stan Stockton, 2008/12/07
- Topband: Live Audio and S Meter Video, Ron Real, 2008/12/08
Topband: Vertical short dipole ?, Frederick Wagner, 2008/12/07
- Re: Topband: Vertical short dipole ?, Terry Conboy, 2008/12/08
Topband: Shunt Fed Question, Brian Sarkisian, KG8CO, 2008/12/07
- Re: Topband: Shunt Fed Question, Tree, 2008/12/07
  - Re: Topband: Shunt Fed Question, Jim Brown, 2008/12/08
    - Re: Topband: Shunt Fed Question, Pete Smith, 2008/12/08
- Re: Topband: Shunt Fed Question, Art, 2008/12/08
Topband: what it is like to be an alligator, mike l dol dormann, 2008/12/07
Topband: Receive Problem, Jim Murray, 2008/12/07
- Re: Topband: Receive Problem, Jim Brown, 2008/12/08
Topband: Ground system quiz, Björn Mohr, 2008/12/07
Topband: Conditions last night, Henk Remijn PA5KT, 2008/12/06
- Re: Topband: Conditions last night (ARRL 160m test), Björn Mohr, 2008/12/07
- Re: Topband: Conditions last night, Jim Brown, 2008/12/08
  - Re: Topband: Conditions last night, Richard (Rick) Karlquist, 2008/12/09
- Re: Topband: Conditions last night, Joe Wilkowski, 2008/12/08
  - Re: Topband: Conditions last night, John Bastin, 2008/12/09
Topband: Inverted L matching problem, Dennis W0JX, 2008/12/05
- Re: Topband: Inverted L matching problem, Guy Olinger, K2AV, 2008/12/06
- Re: Topband: Inverted L matching problem, Price Smith, 2008/12/06
Topband: DX Stations , Electronic Logs, and the ARRL 160 Meter Contest, Kutzko, Sean, KX9X, 2008/12/05
Re: Topband: Inverted L Tuning - Solved, Charles Bibb, 2008/12/05
Topband: Contest condx, Kenneth D. Grimm, K4XL, 2008/12/05
Topband: EWEs and inductors?, Neil Carr G0JHC, 2008/12/05
- Re: Topband: EWEs and inductors?, Terry Conboy, 2008/12/05
[TowerTalk] Inverted L Tuning - Solved, RLVZ, 2008/12/04
- Re: [TowerTalk] Inverted L Tuning - Solved, Richards, 2008/12/04
- Re: Topband: Inverted L Tuning - Solved, Guy Olinger, K2AV, 2008/12/05
[TowerTalk] Inverted L Tuning Question, RLVZ, 2008/12/04
- Re: [TowerTalk] Inverted L Tuning Question, Richards, 2008/12/04
- Re: Topband: Inverted L Tuning Question, Victor A. Kean, Jr., 2008/12/04
- Re: Topband: Inverted L Tuning Question, Victor A. Kean, Jr., 2008/12/04
- Re: Topband: Inverted L Tuning Question, Cliff Frescura, 2008/12/04
- Re: [TowerTalk] Inverted L Tuning Question, Jim Brown, 2008/12/05
- Re: [TowerTalk] Topband: Inverted L Tuning Question, Ken Brown, 2008/12/05
- Re: [TowerTalk] Topband: Inverted L Tuning Question, DAVID CUTHBERT, 2008/12/05
Topband: Beverage protection, Bruce, 2008/12/04
Topband: OX5AA, Boye Christensen, 2008/12/04
Topband: T31DX, n1baa, 2008/12/04
Topband: MT report, W7lr, 2008/12/04
Topband: Noise, Art, 2008/12/04
Topband: Band conditions, Price Smith, 2008/12/04
Topband: EU signals, Steve Flood, 2008/12/03
- Topband: EU signals, Lee K7TJR, 2008/12/04
Topband: Mostly Boring Report, Tree, 2008/12/03
Topband: 6Y/G3NKC QSL's arrived from printers, Dave Sharred, 2008/12/03
Topband: Conditions to N. Cal, Chortek, Robert L, 2008/12/03
Topband: 160 meter conditions], Bill Tippett, 2008/12/03
Topband: tuesday conds, Daniel Glanc, 2008/12/03
Topband: DX Engineering ARAV-1P Failures, steve . root, 2008/12/03
- Topband: DX Engineering ARAV-1P Failures, Lee K7TJR, 2008/12/03
Topband: Recent Conditions, Phil Clements, 2008/12/03
- Re: Topband: Recent Conditions, n4is, 2008/12/03
Topband: DX Engineering ARAV2-1P Receive Antenna, Rod Ehrhart/DXE, 2008/12/03
- Re: Topband: DX Engineering ARAV2-1P Receive Antenna, Richard (Rick) Karlquist, 2008/12/03
Topband: Post Contest Boring Report, Tree, 2008/12/02
- Re: Topband: Post Contest Boring Report, Merv Schweigert, 2008/12/03
Topband: UA9MA, Hardy Landskov, 2008/12/02
- Re: Topband: UA9MA, Michael Tope, 2008/12/03
Re: Topband: WD-1A 2-way Beverage, Herbert Schoenbohm, 2008/12/02
Topband: CQWW CW N7UA SOSB/160 HP, Bill Tippett, 2008/12/01
Topband: Visalia TB Dinner 2009, Steve Lawrence, 2008/12/01
Topband: K9AY "SWR" observations, VO1HP, 2008/12/01
- Re: Topband: K9AY "SWR" observations, K9AY, 2008/12/02
Topband: EY8MM 80m WAS & JA sigs, David Raymond, 2008/12/01
- Re: Topband: EY8MM 80m WAS & JA sigs, Nodir Tursoon-Zadeh, 2008/12/01
Topband: Deploy two receivers - Request for Advice, Art, 2008/12/01
Topband: 160 band plans, Craig Clark, 2008/12/01
Topband: 5K0T Update -- Monday, Dec 01, GEORGE WALLNER, 2008/12/01
Topband: Vertical training days, Dennis OConnor, 2008/12/01
Topband: Contest where was EU, Merv Schweigert, 2008/12/01
- Re: Topband: Contest where was EU, Henk Remijn PA5KT, 2008/12/01
  - Re: Topband: Contest where was EU, on4ww, 2008/12/02
  - Re: Topband: Contest where was EU, LA5HE Ragnar Otterstad, 2008/12/02
- Re: Topband: Contest where was EU, Jim Murray, 2008/12/01
Topband: Great condx central CA to EU for CQWW both nights, Richard (Rick) Karlquist, 2008/12/01
Topband: Arizona Sunshine, PACER99, 2008/12/01