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Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spotting

To: Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spotting
From: Chris Tate - N6WM <chris.tate@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 16:17:46 -0700
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No one is saying self spotting is wrong, but doing so honestly and not
punking the system with fake calls is the right way to approach it and
easily enforceable by the contest managers.



On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 4:06 PM Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com> wrote:

> Spotting yourself with another callsign, foreign or not, has nothing to do
> with the ARRL allowing self spotting.  It’s always been a problem that
> someone would spot themselves and try to hide it.
>
> Just another reason why self spotting is a good thing.  It evens the
> playing field. Anyone think it’s fair to see two serious stations with one
> of them getting spotted by his friends to the tune of triple the number of
> spots of the other guy?
>
> Stan
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 10, 2024, at 5:59 PM, kq2m@kq2m.com wrote:
> >
> > 
> > A year ago, I cited and took issue with a well-known contester in New
> England who was self-spotting in a DX contest
> > under a foreign call.  It was disingenuous at best, as well as being
> unnecessary.
> >
> > And, on BOTH modes of ARRLDX this year, there were quite a number of
> contesters all throughout the US
> > who were self-spotting under other people's calls.
> >
> > Self-spotting, whether we like it or not, is LEGAL under ARRLDX rules.
> I don't like it and still have
> > mixed feelings about doing it, but I do it, and do it honestly.  I
> self-spot KQ2M ONLY with KQ2M as the spotter.
> >
> > I feel strongly that if you are going to self-spot, be straight-forward
> about it and do it ONLY
> > under your own call.
> >
> > I would like to see the ARRL adopt a new rule:  "SELF-SPOTTING" is
> allowed ONLY by the
> > operator and ONLY using the operator's callsign.  Self-spotting with a
> callsign other than the
> > operator is considered to be a violation of the rules and may result in
> disqualification"
> >
> > There.  Simple enough.
> >
> > I would urge the adoption of a similar rule by any contest committees
> that have decided to allow
> > self-spotting.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Bob, KQ2M
> >
> >
> >
> >> On 2024-03-10 14:16, Chris Tate - N6WM wrote:
> >> I have thought about the use of call sign prefixes from other countries
> to
> >> defeat others filters while self spotting and feel this is a dishonest
> >> loophole that should be closed.  Crafty?  No I don’t think so, and
> opens up
> >> an entire Pandora’s box of what can be manipulated in the cluster
> >> networks.  And it’s essentially a false statement and should result in a
> >> DQ. This self spotting experiment will get out of hand very quick if
> this
> >> is allowed to continue.  A simple rule addition stating that you must
> use
> >> Your operating call to self spot (without false prefix) will solve this
> >> micro issue, but there are other nefarious things possible with this
> self
> >> spotting rule and the existing cluster network.  honestly am a little
> >> disappointed with the usually highly respected contesters that chose to
> >> exploit this loophole to the detriment of their competitors.
> >> Chris
> >> N6WM
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