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Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spotting

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spotting
From: David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2024 16:35:21 -0700
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See what I mean?

Dave  AB7E


On 3/10/2024 2:30 PM, Matt Wilhelm (W1PY) wrote:
Hi Chris,

With the allowance of self-spots, what is the reason as to why it matters
what call you use to spot oneself? They are not operating with that call
sign on the air and what they did was not nefarious (according to the
rules) nor did they do anything other than to spot themselves.  I would
argue that it was an incredibly clever way to get around the filters that
other folks configured with geographic restrictions, which they likely
configured prior to this contest and without thinking they would miss
self-spots.  I mean the stations clicked on those spots and used them,
right? How is that dishonest? I'm sure folks are rethinking how they have
manual spots filtered moving forward in ARRL contests.

I guess I'm just not understanding what you are trying to protect by saying
that ops have to self-spot using the call sign they are operating with on
an unauthenticated system?  I didn't use this method, but I'm having
trouble understanding your argument.  I hope that doesn't make folks think
I'm dishonest!

73,

Matt W1PY



On Sun, Mar 10, 2024 at 3:50 PM Chris Tate - N6WM<chris.tate@gmail.com>
wrote:

I have thought about the use of call sign prefixes from other countries to
defeat others filters while self spotting and feel this is a dishonest
loophole that should be closed.  Crafty?  No I don’t think so, and opens up
an entire Pandora’s box of what can be manipulated in the cluster
networks.  And it’s essentially a false statement and should result in a
DQ. This self spotting experiment will get out of hand very quick if this
is allowed to continue.  A simple rule addition stating that you must use
Your operating call to self spot (without false prefix) will solve this
micro issue, but there are other nefarious things possible with this self
spotting rule and the existing cluster network.  honestly am a little
disappointed with the usually highly respected contesters that chose to
exploit this loophole to the detriment of their competitors.

Chris
N6WM
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