OK Sean - I took your shenanigans comment wrong. Sorry. - Duffey KK6MC
James Duffey KK6MC
Cedar Crest NM
> On Apr 12, 2018, at 13:30, Sean Waite <waisean@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I didn't mean shenanigans in a negative way, I'm a fan of shenanigans! The
> SCCC and other groups that drive a lot of these rules changes are masters of
> seeing exactly how to work the rules to maximize their scores. It's pretty
> impressive.
>
> Up here in New England it's hard enough to even find another rover, let alone
> go at it as a pack with one. We have a lot more fixed stations though, iirc.
>
> Sean WA1TE
>
>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 3:14 PM JamesDuffey <jamesduffey@comcast.net> wrote:
>> Sean - One person’s shenanigans are another person’s strategies and tactics.
>> Pack roving in VHF + contesting is one way to address very different levels
>> of activity, mostly microwave, across the USA. You can like it or not, but
>> it is not a dishonest activity.
>>
>> If the ARRL and others want pack roving eliminated, they should outlaw it
>> outright. I understand that may be difficult to do without eliminating
>> roving and its advantages entirely. It is clear that the present rules with
>> the Unlimited Rover class don’t address the pack roving issue. Few if any
>> pack rovers participate as Unlimited Rovers. - Duffey KK6MC
>>
>>
>> James Duffey KK6MC
>> Cedar Crest NM
>>
>>> On Apr 12, 2018, at 12:13, Sean Waite <waisean@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Rick K1DS goes pretty well in depth into some of the shenanigans that the
>>> rover packs would get into in one of his videos on roving:
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baETPvsxcdI&t=2687s
>>>
>>> When you start to get a little into the history, you can see what specific
>>> events triggered the somewhat odd rules here or there. I appreciate that
>>> they created the Unlimited class to allow the rules-bending outside-the-box
>>> stuff to continue, while protecting the groups that don't want to play
>>> those games.
>>>
>>> Sean WA1TE
>>>
>>>> On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:45 PM JamesDuffey <jamesduffey@comcast.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> Larissa - You asked:
>>>> “Now, I can see the difference between Limited and Unlimited Rover
>>>> categories, but why
>>>> is there a separate category for Classic Rover? What are the differences?”
>>>>
>>>> The big difference between the Classic Rover class and the Unlimited Rover
>>>> class is that the Classic Rover class is limited to 100 QSOes with other
>>>> rovers; there is no such limitation in the Unlimited Rover class. The
>>>> Unlimited Rover cannot contribute the score earned to a club score. In VHF
>>>> contests, the club competition is big, so this is a significant
>>>> difference. There are other differences, the Unlimited Rover can have an
>>>> unlimited number of operators, the Classic Rover is limited to two
>>>> operators and everything that the classic rover uses to make QSOes must be
>>>> hauled by one vehicle while in the Unlimited Rover one doesn’t need to
>>>> haul anything with the rover at all.
>>>>
>>>> The Unlimited Rover category was instituted to address what many saw as a
>>>> problem to VHF contesting and roving, that is pack roving. To what an
>>>> extent pack roving was (is?) a significant problem depends on many
>>>> factors. I won’t go into that here, but you can get more than a flavor of
>>>> it by perusing the archives of this list for the first 7 or 8 years of
>>>> this century. Among other things it is an interesting view into psyche of
>>>> VHF/UHF contesters. Whatever one’s stance on pack roving, the Unlimited
>>>> Rover category has had few, if any, entries from pack rovers over the 10
>>>> years of its existence and in my opinion has failed to gain traction as a
>>>> class. Not allowing Unlimited Rovers to contribute to a club score has
>>>> kept the pack rovers in the Classic Rover class, and by judicious choice
>>>> of QSOes with other rovers, large scores can still be generated by pack
>>>> rovers in the Classic Rover class even with the 100 QSO limit. Hence there
>>>> is no real incentive to go to the Unlimited Rover class.
>>>>
>>>> I have operated in all three classes and get the most satisfaction out of
>>>> the Classic Rover class, but by operating Limited Rover I am more
>>>> competitive nationally and the setup is quick. There is much less
>>>> competition operating in the Unlimited Rover class, but I have found that
>>>> winning that class in a division where there is only one other entry does
>>>> little to sate my competitive appetite.
>>>>
>>>> I hope this answers your question. If not, ask again. - Duffey KK6MC
>>>>
>>>> James Duffey KK6MC
>>>> Cedar Crest NM
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>>
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