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Re: [VHFcontesting] using non-amateur means for skeds duringcontests

To: "'Rogers, Ron'" <RR124640@ncr.com>,"'Paul Kiesel'" <k7cw@yahoo.com>,"'Dan Evans'" <dan.evans@insightbb.com>, <jcplatt1@mmm.com>,"'VHF Contesting eMail Remailer'" <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] using non-amateur means for skeds duringcontests
From: "Joe Serocki" <joeserocki@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 08:56:08 -0600
List-post: <mailto:vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
I agree! It's the contact itself, not the means of finding it! As the
Internet takes off more and more, Wi-Fi access points will become more and
more prolific, ham radio and the Internet will continue to merge. I am not
saying the technologies will completely merge, but they are doing so more
and more. There are many modes that are already like this (D-Star, Echoling,
IRLP, HSMM/Hinternet).

I have been watching and see a lot of people seem to think this is unfair. I
compare this to FD stations. Some people have huge antenna farms, some have
tower trucks, some have amplifiers. Some run 5 watts out of a tent with a
battery. What differences them from other stations?
Classifications/multipliers!

How about a compromise. A different set of multipliers or a new
classification for FD? The goal of classification/multipliers seems to be to
balance the scale. I am slightly uncomfortable because this can lean toward
the 'captive rover' mentality if it's a direct contact, such as a cell phone
call, however.

That's just my thought. Let's grow technology and move forward, not stifle
creativity. 

I am sure that this will be an unpopular thought with some though and I
apologize in advance for all of you who I offend. Then again, as with any
changes, people are uncomfortable. I remember when DX Clusters came out and
there were people who felt that was cheating and if you used them you should
at least have to work more countries to get DXCC.

I entertain thoughts directly back to me at joeserocki@gmail.com. 

Joe Serocki, N9IFG


-----Original Message-----
From: vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Rogers, Ron
Sent: Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:19 PM
To: Paul Kiesel; Dan Evans; jcplatt1@mmm.com; VHF Contesting eMail Remailer
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] using non-amateur means for skeds
duringcontests

AGREED !!   In the end, you still have to complete the QSO and the exchange
via the radio link before you can count the Q.
 
Been trying to drive home that point for over 35 years of VHF-UHF contesting
now..........
 
Ron
WW8RR 
 
________________________________

From: vhfcontesting-bounces@contesting.com on behalf of Paul Kiesel
Sent: Sat 1/26/2008 1:28 PM
To: Dan Evans; jcplatt1@mmm.com; VHF Contesting eMail Remailer
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] using non-amateur means for skeds
duringcontests


Why not eliminate all potential for cheating by
changing the rule to allow non-amateur means for skeds
in VHF contests? People at the contest branch have
better things to do than monitor Ping Jockey to catch
Joe Blow. Besides, what's the difference between using
the telephone before the contest and using the
telephone during the contest to arrange a sked if the
object is to complete a QSO via radio? None.

K7CW

--- Dan Evans <dan.evans@insightbb.com> wrote:

> Seems to me it would be a pretty simple thing for
> someone at the contest
> branch to record ping jockey, or other dx lists, for
> the weekend.  And
> then cross check against submitted contest logs to
> look for rules
> violations.
>
> Violation = check log
>
> Probably just an announcement this is going to
> happen would be enough to
> stop the bulk of it.
>
> 73
> Dan
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