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Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spotting

To: kq2m@kq2m.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Self spotting
From: Paul Bourque <pbourque@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2024 21:57:20 -0400
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Control of the transmitter via remote control is allowed. Remote operation
is just like an extended mic cord. The contact is to be made from one radio
to another radio, regardless of the control method. Would the contact not
be allowed if you used a Bluetooth headset?. Bluetooth isn’t amateur radio.

Now your’e just nitpicking the rules, really??

What the rule says is that you can’t confirm your signal report or any part
of the exchange via an email, text message, phone call, carrier pigeon,
smoke signal…. See rule OPRG.4 of the Dx Contest rules


 -Paul

On Fri, Mar 15, 2024 at 9:47 PM <kq2m@kq2m.com> wrote:

>
> Hi Paul,
>
> Not to change the subject but, if "All required elements of a
> contact must be exchanged via amateur radio.", then how do contacts
> made via remote qualify?  Is the internet considered to be Amateur
> Radio?
>
> It seems to me that contacts made via remote - which requires the use of
> NON-Amateur Radio technology as a conduit for making those qso's -
> should be in a separate category because those NON-Amateur Radio means
> are essential to making those qso's.
>
>
> Bob, KQ2M
>
>
>
> On 2024-03-15 13:24, Paul Bourque wrote:
> > HI Chris,
> >
> > I've been over these looking for inconsistencies, and yes, this is
> > inconsistent with self spotting being allowed. The word soliciting
> > should
> > be removed from the language there.
> >
> > The text of PROH 3. across all HF based ARRL contests should read:
> >
> >
> > PROH.3. Arranging and confirmation of any contacts during or after the
> > contest by use of any non-amateur radio means. All required elements of
> > a
> > contact must be exchanged via amateur radio.
> >
> >
> > This will be standardized across al lHF based contest rules within the
> > next
> > several days.
> >
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > -Paul Bourque N1SFE
> >
> > ARRL Contest Program Manager
> >
> > Please direct replies to n1sfe@ARRL.ORG
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 12:46 AM Christopher Paulin
> > <chris@paulinslate.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> The ARRL contest committee made a very poor decision that was not well
> >> thought out by allowing self-spotting in their contests.  The 2023
> >> ARRL 10m
> >> contest rules read verbatim:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> "PROH.3. Arranging, soliciting, or confirming any contacts during or
> >> after
> >> the contest by use of any non-
> >>
> >> amateur radio means. All required elements of a contact must be
> >> exchanged
> >> via amateur radio."
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> How is a station that is using the internet to self-spot not in
> >> violation
> >> of
> >> Prohibited Conduct in that contest?  Yet self-spotting was apparently
> >> allowed by the ARRL, even for "unassisted" stations!  There are a
> >> myriad of
> >> other problems with the way those rules are written, which I've
> >> already
> >> commented on.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> The ARRL DX 2024 rules have apparently been rewritten to try to
> >> rectify
> >> some
> >> of these blatant conflicts, but the end result is the same:
> >> self-spotting
> >> in contests should be prohibited.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Chris N8ACP
> >>
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