Wouldn't it be easier to as a part of the rules that to have in your
logger that all S&P QSO's are spotted?
Then there won't be the possibilities of the various abuses as examples
made so far?
Joe WB9SBD / W9ET
On 2/17/2022 9:55 AM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:
Waiting for the DOS attacks on the spotting networks to start....
73 Rich NN3W
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 10:54 AM Pete Smith N4ZR<pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
wrote:
Ria, I'm not frustrated... I am simply concerned that allowing
self-spotting will make it much less pleasant for me to pursue my
personal goals. If everyone and their sibling self spots, that will
markedly reduce my chances as of being first on a spot when someone
comes on a new band, which is my go-to technique. What's to stop them
from self-spotting their intended run frequency *before* they come on a
new band?
Also, as someone pointed out, the potential for malicious spotting is
great. If I want to sabotage your operation, what's to stop me from
posting spots of you on the wrong band or frequency?
I simply think this was not well thought out, and that the result would
have been different (and better) had the wider contesting community been
more involved.
73, Pete N4ZR
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web server at<http://beta.reversebeacon.net>.
For spots, please use your favorite
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On 2/17/2022 5:46 AM,rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
It really isn’t the “nobody asked us” defense. Quite the opposite.
There were several in the contest community who wanted contest rules
out of the hands of the full Board and into the hands of the CAC and
radiosport department. It doesn’t mean we don’t have input. It simply
means that we don’t have a formal vote on every contest rule change.
As for smaller S&P stations? I’m not sure what changes for you. Care
to elaborate?
I think a lot of us with smaller stations share frustrations of not
being able to be competitive, for various reasons.
Ria
N2RJ
On Thu, Feb 17, 2022 at 1:05 AM Pete Smith N4ZR<pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
wrote:
But Ria, what about those of us with small stations who like assisted
S&P? Surely there should be room for those of us who don't want to
self-spot, but find unassisted S&P endless frustration. I'm with
you -
surely it would have been better to add a class.
As for the Board not having voted on these new rules, why the heck
not?
Surely this isn't the "nobody asked us" defense? If the Board aren't
responsible for what people subordinate to you do, who is?
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
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For spots, please use your favorite
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On 2/16/2022 9:11 PM,rjairam@gmail.com wrote:
> Hans, things progressed exactly as some of the harshest critics
desired it
> to go.
>
> But anyway, everything is in the minutes. There were no motions
by the
> Board to adopt these rules.
>
> Do I agree with them? My desire was for an “ultra unlimited”
category to
> have streaming and self spotting. I didn’t get that. I’m one voice.
>
> Do we need to adapt and evolve? Yes.
>
> But I’m glad we kept unassisted, so those who desire legacy
contesting have
> their sandbox to play in.
>
> Ria
> N2RJ
>
> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 8:53 PM Hans Brakob<kzerohb@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>> Nice sidestep, Director.
>>
>> 73, de Hans, KØHB
>> “Just a Boy and his Radio”™
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:*
CQ-Contest<cq-contest-bounces+kzerohb=gmail.com@contesting.com>
>> on behalfofrjairam@gmail.com <rjairam@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 16, 2022 7:24:37 PM
>>
>> *To:* Ken Boasi<n2zn@rochester.rr.com>
>> *Cc:* Barry W2UP<w2up.co@gmail.com>; CQ-Contest Reflector <
>>cq-contest@contesting.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] ARRL to allow self-spotting in
contests
>>
>> The full Board does not make a motion to adopt rules changes
anymore.
>> This goes direct from the PSC to the radiosport department.
There is a
>> PSC report that is adopted (in the consent agenda) but that's
about
>> it. Also, the CAC is actually driving these rule changes now
with the
>> PSC merely approving their recommendations.
>>
>> Ria
>> N2RJ
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 4:43 PM Ken
Boasi<n2zn@rochester.rr.com> wrote:
>>> I’m not an ARRL apologist, but the CAC has been discussing
this since at
>> least a year ago, and made a recommendation for this change in
their July
>> meeting. You can look up the minutes on the ARRL website. It
is task
>> 2020.5.
>>> I presume it was adopted in January at the ARRL Board meeting.
>>>
>>> I am not in favor of the change, but I guess I had my chance
to comment
>> on this (like the rest of us) over the past year, and failed to
do so,
>> either because I wasn’t paying attention, forgot to, or just
assumed that
>> “they would never do something like that”. Lesson learned…
>>> 73, Ken N2ZN
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Feb 16, 2022, at 3:35 PM, Barry W2UP<w2up.co@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So which contest software will be the first to add,
"self-spot every
>> 15
>>>> seconds"?
>>>>
>>>> Seems ARRL is back on its secrecy kick. I just renewed my ARRL
>> membership
>>>> for the 52nd year. It may be my last.
>>>>
>>>> Barry W2UP
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 16, 2022 at 10:36 AM
PY2NY<py2ny.vitor@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Good afternoon.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't know exactly what to say or think about. My first
impression
>>>>> isn't good, including for those guys that are always
"Assisted".
>>>>> DXCluster will have thousands of self-spots.
>>>>> Thanks God I'm always "no-Assisted"...
>>>>>
>>>>> 73 DX and see you all next weekend.
>>>>> .
>>>>> ..
>>>>> ...
>>>>> --------------------------------
>>>>> PY2NY / SP9NY / V26NY - Vitor Luis Aidar dos Santos
>>>>>http://military-jeep-brasil.blogspot.com.br/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Em qua., 16 de fev. de 2022 às 09:23, Randy Thompson <
>>k5zd@outlook.com>
>>>>> escreveu:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From the ARRL Contest Update today:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "New Rules in effect for all ARRL HF Contests in June
>>>>>> Starting with the ARRL International Digital Contest, in all
>> categories
>>>>>> that allow assistance (Unlimited), the use of online and other
>>>>> non-amateur
>>>>>> radio platforms including but not limited to social media,
live video
>>>>>> streaming, and internet chat rooms will be allowed. In all
Unlimited
>> and
>>>>>> Multioperator categories, the prohibition of self-spotting,
and
>> asking
>>>>>> another station to spot you, will also be removed."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wow. It was one thing for the VHF contests to allow use of
chat
>> rooms
>>>>> and
>>>>>> telephone calls, now this is extended to all HF contests.
It should
>> be
>>>>>> interesting to see what unintended consequences result from
allowing
>>>>>> multi-ops and assisted competitors to spot themselves. You
could spot
>>>>>> yourself with every CQ if you wanted to. Or you can call
people on
>> the
>>>>>> phone and ask them to get on the air. Or send out email
reminders to
>> work
>>>>>> you during the contest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is likely to have the most impact on SSB to produce
spotting
>> equal to
>>>>>> what the RBN does for CW and RTTY.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For an organization that has always been so timid and
conservative on
>>>>> rule
>>>>>> changes, the ARRL seems to have sprung this one without much
>> consultation
>>>>>> with the contest community. I assume it is in reaction to
the W2RE
>>>>>> incident several years ago in ARRL DX where he used live
streaming on
>>>>>> Facebook during the contest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Randy K5ZD
>>>>>>
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