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Re: [VHFcontesting] Why a rule discriminating against portable stations?

To: Pete K0BAK <rxr978-vhf@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Why a rule discriminating against portable stations?
From: Tom Holmes <tholmes@woh.rr.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2023 16:25:37 -0400
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Seems to me the rules get made based largely on what is requested by the vhf 
contest community, so blaming ARRL for giving us what we asked for seems kind 
of embarrassing. 

From Tom Holmes, N8ZM

> On Jun 16, 2023, at 4:01 PM, Pete K0BAK via VHFcontesting 
> <vhfcontesting@contesting.com> wrote:
> 
> There's nothing in the remarkably simple CQ WW VHF rules that allows an 
> operator to submit in two different categories. If you try it, let us know 
> how that turns out. In contrast, the ARRL VHF rules have an explicit 
> allowance for submitting logs in rover and fixed categories. 
> 
> -- Pete K0BAK
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Friday, June 16, 2023 at 03:51:50 PM EDT, Mark Adams <msadams60@gmail.com> 
> wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hmmm, CQWW VHF does not address this issue. Seems I could do the Hilltoppers 
> with K2QO/P and then rove home as K2QO/R. Now there’s a thought…
> 
> 73, Mark K2QO (FN03ra)
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2023, at 3:15 PM, Dave <kdcarlso@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I would support it, After all, you aren't likely to post high scores in any
>> one category when you divide your time, but do give opportunity to others
>> to possibly work new multipliers. I never understood why there is only a
>> QRP category for portable stations either.
>> 
>> As for log checking. Not a problem. It's either logged correctly or
>> tossed out. I don't get the points when I fat finger a call or band and
>> that's on me. It happens way too often. Why are they checking to verify a
>> /R and fixing my mistake there and not elsewhere? Not to be too harsh but I
>> either logged it correctly and got the points or didn't do it properly and
>> didn't get the points.
>> 
>> Dave N2OA
>> 
>> On Fri, Jun 16, 2023 at 1:23 PM Jeff DePolo <jd0@broadsci.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> operated a portable station (100% separate hardware) as KR1ST/P from a
>>>> different location. It turns out that after I submitted my home KR1ST
>>> log,
>>>> it gets overwritten by the KR1ST/P entry I submitted later. I assume that
>>> is
>>>> because of the rule I quoted above.
>>> 
>>> Perhaps unrelated, but I don't know if the ARRL upload process recognizes
>>> "/P" for portable does it?  Obviously it understands "/R" for Rover.
>>> 
>>>> I would think that in the spirit of Amateur Radio we should be as
>>> permissive
>>>> as possible when it comes to operating practices in order to generate
>>>> maximum activity.
>>> 
>>> I agree in general, but I don't know how to adopt it fairly without
>>> creating
>>> yet-another category.  I have mountaintop FM remote bases in four different
>>> grids that can't be used in VHF contests unless I operated one, and only
>>> one, during a contest.  I don't think I can even use multiple remotes to
>>> give out points when I'm NOT turning in a log because it would cause
>>> problems for those who I worked since I wasn't signing /R yet I appeared in
>>> their log in multiple grids.  Unless there's a way around it in the rules
>>> that I'm not aware of?  Well, maybe there's one way around it - use a
>>> different callsign like a club call for one location and your own call for
>>> the other.  There's nothing forbidding a club from having multiple club
>>> station licenses/callsigns, although you're limited to only one vanity
>>> call.
>>> 
>>> Haven't seen anyone post any scores yet; I'm guilty too as a procrastinator
>>> but will get to it this weekend.
>>> 
>>>                                         --- Jeff WN3A
>>> 
>>> 
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