Hey Steve,
As explained in a previous email, usually a category exists because enough
people complained that they could never win a particular category. So a new
one is created. There used to be only one fixed-station multiop category.
In fact, we used to use States instead
Contests, especially in the V-U-uW spectrum, should only have rule changes
to enhance activity on the bands. Rules to level the geographic playing
field, or to level a perceived "have" and "have not" inequality, are
pointless in my book.
I have no specific comment on the particular Unlimited Rover issue, as all
my experience is in Unlimited Multi-Op.
73,
Gerry, W1VE
On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 4:16 PM, <k4gun@comcast.net> wrote:
> Nope. You didn't. You just used a passive/aggressive tactic to indict
> anybody who thinks there is a problem with the current set of rules. I
> started a new discussion based upon your post asking for those who don't see
> the problem to explain why Unlimited Rover exists and how the grid circling
> group fits into that program. Do you have anything constructive to add to
> that discussion?
>
>
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gerry Hull" <gerry@w1ve.com>
> To: k4gun@comcast.net
> Cc: aa5jg@yahoo.com, vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:59:01 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] QST_ June contest write up
>
> Hmmmm... Did I mention you? Ever hear the phrase "a guilty conscience
> needs no accuser" ?
>
> 73, Gerry
>
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2008 at 2:47 PM, <k4gun@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Wait a second! That's not the case. Not at all. There are some of us
>> who would like to see further changes and have made respectful and cogent
>> arguments as to why we feel that way. There's no bickering and finger
>> pointing. Its an honest effort to improve the contest that we all seem to
>> rather enjoy. Why is that such a problem?
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> K4GUN/R
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@yahoo.com>
>> To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com, "Gerry Hull" <gerry@w1ve.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:26:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
>> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] QST_ June contest write up
>>
>> I couldn't agree more. The way I see it, the complainers should have 2
>> main options:
>>
>> 1. Make up their own contest and set the rules however they want them.
>> 2. Get on the VUAC committee themselves and then change the rules.
>>
>> It seems that most of the complaining comes of the sort: "KA1XYZ won the
>> contest and I should have instead."
>>
>> 73s John AA5JG
>>
>>
>> --- On Thu, 11/20/08, Gerry Hull <gerry@w1ve.com> wrote:
>>
>> > From: Gerry Hull <gerry@w1ve.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] QST_ June contest write up
>> > To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
>> > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1:17 PM
>> > <flack jacket on>
>> >
>> > I've participated in all the major VHF non-winter
>> > contests for almost 30
>> > years now. Before grid squares. After grid squares.
>> > Before the new rover
>> > rules. After the new rover rules.
>> >
>> > The theme among complainers about winners is "those
>> > winners must be
>> > cheating".
>> >
>> > Well, no sir, time and time again it's been proven they
>> > have not been
>> > cheating. No matter who it is, no matter what they are
>> > doing.
>> >
>> > "Well, they push the rules to the LIMIT"
>> >
>> > Isn't this a COMPETITION?
>> >
>> > "They do the same, mundane stuff every year."
>> >
>> > "They do it on high microwaves" (Um, more
>> > points-per-Q?)
>> >
>> > "They do it with custom gear and frequencies"
>> >
>> > "They only work their buddies!"
>> >
>> > "They buy all their gear -- they are buying the
>> > contest!"
>> >
>> > ALL within the rules.
>> >
>> > If you look at the rules over the past 30 years, once
>> > enough people
>> > bellyache about the same winners, and their is enough
>> > political pressure,
>> > the rules get changed... And, those same top operators
>> > and competitors
>> > adapt And they win under the new rules.
>> >
>> > The League and the CAC has done a great job in adapting the
>> > rules to make
>> > VHF contesting interesting for everybody.
>> >
>> > If you're in the game to only WIN, you going to
>> > disappoint yourself a good
>> > portion of the time. I've luckily participated with a
>> > group who
>> > have won quite a few times -- but also have had our butts
>> > whipped by
>> > others. As the rules change, adoptions are made.
>> >
>> > I don't rove. I know a lot of people that do. I come
>> > from an unlimited
>> > multiop perspective.
>> >
>> > Ask K8GP if building and testing all the gear, driving a
>> > long way, setting
>> > up and operating in sometimes very harsh conditions is
>> > always fun? I bet
>> > they think so -- maybe not always -- but they come back
>> > (almost) every
>> > year. They are skilled operators with great tactical
>> > strategy and do very
>> > well.
>> >
>> > Ask my friends as W2SZ if maintaining gear over 30 years or
>> > putting up 10+
>> > guyed towers on a mountain top (sometimes in very bad
>> > weather) twice a year
>> > or driving 1000s of non-contest miles scouting excellent
>> > locations for DX
>> > uWave, or rounding up enough people to "make" it
>> > happen. At times, it's
>> > REALLY HARD. Doing something difficult, and working as a
>> > team, pays off.
>> > Even when we loose,
>> > we are motivated to keep going. If the rules change, we
>> > adopt.
>> >
>> > Ask K1WHS and his team why he keeps plugging at it (and
>> > catching us all
>> > FAST!). Dave's built an incredible station over the
>> > years -- and it's not
>> > always about winning.
>> >
>> > If some rovers have a strategy of only working their
>> > friends -- perhaps it's
>> > because their friends have a winning strategy. Rather
>> > than complaining
>> > and spreading innuendo in a public forum -- why not embrace
>> > them and find
>> > out how you might participate in that winning strategy
>> > also. You can
>> > learn much from winners. If you perceive a real issue
>> > with the rules,
>> > contact your CAC member -- don't knock someone who has
>> > used a strategy which
>> > maximizes score based on the fules.
>> >
>> > </flack jacket on>
>> >
>> > I AM in favor of public logs, as I believe that MANY can
>> > learn from the
>> > techniques of others. I doubt you'll find any
>> > cheaters in public logs.
>> >
>> > These are my opinions and not necessarily those of my VHF
>> > Contesting buddies
>> > at W2SZ FN32jp
>> >
>> > 73, Gerry W1VE
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