Well one point is-a station followed the rules and won. However, there are
plenty of stations on here who have indicated that they didn't like it that
that station one-they didn't like the strategy they used, etc. So there is
some finger pointing-that station KA1XYZ didn't do it right in winning. If
they won and followed the rules, congratulate them, not indicate that their win
is tarnished because they used a different strategy than you did.
73s John AA5JG
--- On Thu, 11/20/08, k4gun@comcast.net <k4gun@comcast.net> wrote:
> From: k4gun@comcast.net <k4gun@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] QST_ June contest write up
> To: aa5jg@yahoo.com
> Cc: vhfcontesting@contesting.com, "Gerry Hull" <gerry@w1ve.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1:47 PM
> Wait a second! That's not the case. Not at all.
> There are some of us who would like to see further changes
> and have made respectful and cogent arguments as to why we
> feel that way. There's no bickering and finger
> pointing. Its an honest effort to improve the contest that
> we all seem to rather enjoy. Why is that such a problem?
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> K4GUN/R
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg@yahoo.com>
> To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com, "Gerry Hull"
> <gerry@w1ve.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2008 2:26:11 PM GMT -05:00
> US/Canada Eastern
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] QST_ June contest write up
>
> I couldn't agree more. The way I see it, the
> complainers should have 2 main options:
>
> 1. Make up their own contest and set the rules however they
> want them.
> 2. Get on the VUAC committee themselves and then change the
> rules.
>
> It seems that most of the complaining comes of the sort:
> "KA1XYZ won the contest and I should have
> instead."
>
> 73s John AA5JG
>
>
> --- On Thu, 11/20/08, Gerry Hull <gerry@w1ve.com>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Gerry Hull <gerry@w1ve.com>
> > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] QST_ June contest write
> up
> > To: vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> > Date: Thursday, November 20, 2008, 1:17 PM
> > <flack jacket on>
> >
> > I've participated in all the major VHF non-winter
> > contests for almost 30
> > years now. Before grid squares. After grid
> squares.
> > Before the new rover
> > rules. After the new rover rules.
> >
> > The theme among complainers about winners is
> "those
> > winners must be
> > cheating".
> >
> > Well, no sir, time and time again it's been proven
> they
> > have not been
> > cheating. No matter who it is, no matter what they
> are
> > doing.
> >
> > "Well, they push the rules to the LIMIT"
> >
> > Isn't this a COMPETITION?
> >
> > "They do the same, mundane stuff every
> year."
> >
> > "They do it on high microwaves" (Um, more
>
> > points-per-Q?)
> >
> > "They do it with custom gear and
> frequencies"
> >
> > "They only work their buddies!"
> >
> > "They buy all their gear -- they are buying the
> > contest!"
> >
> > ALL within the rules.
> >
> > If you look at the rules over the past 30 years, once
> > enough people
> > bellyache about the same winners, and their is enough
> > political pressure,
> > the rules get changed... And, those same top
> operators
> > and competitors
> > adapt And they win under the new rules.
> >
> > The League and the CAC has done a great job in
> adapting the
> > rules to make
> > VHF contesting interesting for everybody.
> >
> > If you're in the game to only WIN, you going to
> > disappoint yourself a good
> > portion of the time. I've luckily participated
> with a
> > group who
> > have won quite a few times -- but also have had our
> butts
> > whipped by
> > others. As the rules change, adoptions are made.
> >
> > I don't rove. I know a lot of people that do.
> I come
> > from an unlimited
> > multiop perspective.
> >
> > Ask K8GP if building and testing all the gear, driving
> a
> > long way, setting
> > up and operating in sometimes very harsh conditions is
>
> > always fun? I bet
> > they think so -- maybe not always -- but they come
> back
> > (almost) every
> > year. They are skilled operators with great tactical
>
> > strategy and do very
> > well.
> >
> > Ask my friends as W2SZ if maintaining gear over 30
> years or
> > putting up 10+
> > guyed towers on a mountain top (sometimes in very bad
> > weather) twice a year
> > or driving 1000s of non-contest miles scouting
> excellent
> > locations for DX
> > uWave, or rounding up enough people to
> "make" it
> > happen. At times, it's
> > REALLY HARD. Doing something difficult, and working
> as a
> > team, pays off.
> > Even when we loose,
> > we are motivated to keep going. If the rules
> change, we
> > adopt.
> >
> > Ask K1WHS and his team why he keeps plugging at it
> (and
> > catching us all
> > FAST!). Dave's built an incredible station over
> the
> > years -- and it's not
> > always about winning.
> >
> > If some rovers have a strategy of only working their
> > friends -- perhaps it's
> > because their friends have a winning strategy.
> Rather
> > than complaining
> > and spreading innuendo in a public forum -- why not
> embrace
> > them and find
> > out how you might participate in that winning strategy
>
> > also. You can
> > learn much from winners. If you perceive a real
> issue
> > with the rules,
> > contact your CAC member -- don't knock someone who
> has
> > used a strategy which
> > maximizes score based on the fules.
> >
> > </flack jacket on>
> >
> > I AM in favor of public logs, as I believe that MANY
> can
> > learn from the
> > techniques of others. I doubt you'll find any
> > cheaters in public logs.
> >
> > These are my opinions and not necessarily those of my
> VHF
> > Contesting buddies
> > at W2SZ FN32jp
> >
> > 73, Gerry W1VE
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