On Mon, Jul 19, 2004 at 03:20:00PM -0400, James Hayes wrote:
> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...I wonder if like our federal public officials can be
> voted in and impeached if our representatives in the league can be as
> well...impeached that is?!?
Yes, they can, and occasionally are, in fact.
> Jim, N2YEV
> FN34gs, Plattsburgh, NY
> Six Club #1663, SMIRK #6480
> jhayes9424@charter.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Geiger" <johngeig@yahoo.com>
> To: "James Hayes" <jhayes9424@charter.net>; <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 2:32 PM
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] ARRL kills VHF, Should we let them?
>
>
> > Hi Jim,
> >
> > I came up with this idea since they said the contest
> > changes were deemed by a decline in log submissions.
> > It seems like they just look at the total number of
> > logs, and maybe a big decline following the rule
> > changes might get their attention. Then again, it
> > might not.
> >
> > I am not sure that calling them or writing letter will
> > do much good. It hasn't seemed to before. I spoke
> > with my section manager before they removed the
> > contest line scores from QST and expressed my
> > displeasure. He told me it was already a done deal.
> > Lots of good expressing my views did. When our
> > current section manager was campaigning he came to our
> > local club. I asked him exactly how he was going to
> > serve as a link between the individual in his section
> > and the ARRL. He couldn't answer me but did string
> > together some response which amounted to "I won't".
> > After he was elected, I expressed my view about the CW
> > requirement removal when he came to visit our club
> > again. He let me know that he shared a different view
> > than I did. I am sure my view never made it beyond
> > him.
> >
> > The other way to get the ARRLs attention is to cancel
> > your membership. I could live without QST, but the
> > outgoing QSL bureau sure is nice, and I do like
> > chasing DXCC and VUCC endorsements.
> >
> > 73s John NE0P
> >
> >
> > --- James Hayes <jhayes9424@charter.net> wrote:
> > > John,
> > > Not a bad idea, but if they receive no logs then it
> > > will reinfore their
> > > efforts to get rid of the contesting I should think.
> > > (Thinking like a
> > > politician, ahem.) We have to use their game plans
> > > to our benefit if we are
> > > to succeed at keeping the contesting. There is
> > > another way using that
> > > strategy would work though, and maybe get our line
> > > scores back into the QST
> > > magazine. Retain our ARRL membership, WITHOUT their
> > > magazine. I mean most of
> > > us are computer savy now 'a days, and we could find
> > > all kinds of
> > > advertisments and websites to lure us with new
> > > products, so why do we need
> > > another 'ad' magazine to do that for us? I don't
> > > know about most people but
> > > the website line scores are crap to say the least,
> > > and the only good part I
> > > see is the soapbox where we can truly be seen and
> > > heard for our efforts.
> > >
> > > Jim, N2YEV
> > > FN34gs, Plattsburgh, NY
> > > Six Club #1663, SMIRK #6480
> > > jhayes9424@charter.net
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "John Geiger" <johngeig@yahoo.com>
> > > To: "James Hayes" <jhayes9424@charter.net>;
> > > <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 19, 2004 1:58 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] ARRL kills VHF, Should
> > > we let them?
> > >
> > >
> > > > SHould they go through and pass these stupid
> > > changes,
> > > > I will participate in the June 2005 VHF contest,
> > > but
> > > > will not submit a log, and will write the ARRL and
> > > > state why I am not submitting a log. I will also
> > > urge
> > > > all other hams to do the same. Maybe if the
> > > number of
> > > > logs submitted really declines they will rethink
> > > these
> > > > assine changes.
> > > >
> > > > 73s John NE0P
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- James Hayes <jhayes9424@charter.net> wrote:
> > > > > QUESTION:
> > > > > Regarding this recent thread...why should we let
> > > > > them? Aren't there are
> > > > > other groups out there that could support our
> > > VHF
> > > > > contesting efforts? Why
> > > > > not try and solicit them?
> > > > > Other than that why not email everyone we know
> > > who
> > > > > does the VHF contesting
> > > > > and have them email the h#$@ our of the ARRL
> > > until
> > > > > the take notice that we
> > > > > don't want our fun to go away.
> > > > > Ya know...politics really suck the life out of
> > > all
> > > > > of us, but it shouldn't
> > > > > be a part of amateur radio in any form except to
> > > > > work as a liason between us
> > > > > and the FCC. I get so tired of everyone whining
> > > > > about this cause and that
> > > > > cause using 'political correctness' as an excuse
> > > to
> > > > > get stupid bills passed
> > > > > that won't do anyone any good...like Megan's
> > > Law, I
> > > > > can't see where one
> > > > > person has been saved or even warned about those
> > > > > predators.
> > > > > I guess what I'm trying to say is we all have to
> > > > > make our voices heard, as
> > > > > they are ELECTED OFFICIALS aren't they? And as
> > > > > elected officials they are
> > > > > supposed to do as we recommend. Because without
> > > US
> > > > > there IS no Amateur
> > > > > Radio. Lets stay a band of brothers and sisters,
> > > > > "...united we stand divided
> > > > > we fall."
> > > > > Anyway, enough said for this round...what are
> > > your
> > > > > views, comments
> > > > > questions, flames etc???
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim, N2YEV
> > > > > FN34gs, Plattsburgh, NY
> > > > > Six Club #1663, SMIRK #6480
> > > > > jhayes9424@charter.net
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "John Geiger" <johngeig@yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: "George Fremin III" <geoiii@kkn.net>;
> > > > > <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, July 18, 2004 9:23 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] ARRL kills VHF,
> > > Should
> > > > > we let them?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Oh they will definitely save 2 meter FM and
> > > > > packet.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- George Fremin III <geoiii@kkn.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > IF the ARRL decides to end VHF contesting
> > > as
> > > > > we
> > > > > > > know it after this
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I am pretty sure the ARRL will be selling
> > > off
> > > > > all of
> > > > > > > our bands (with
> > > > > > > the exception of 160 meters) and taking the
> > > > > proceeds
> > > > > > > and have a keg
> > > > > > > party at ARRL HQ where they will burn the
> > > Wouff
> > > > > Hong
> > > > > > > as part of a
> > > > > > > satanic ritual.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > George Fremin III - K5TR
> > > > > > > geoiii@kkn.net
> > > > > > > http://www.kkn.net/~k5tr
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
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