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Re: Topband: CQ Zones

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Subject: Re: Topband: CQ Zones
From: kolson@rcn.com
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 19:49:57 -0500 (EST)
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Good news! The ARRL already does differentiate this. There is CW DXCC, PHONE 
DXCC, DIGITAL DXCC and MIXED DXCC. Everyone's QSL's/LOTW credits* count for 
only two of these maximum. You can do a little math and gloat to your heart's 
content! 

 And if someone only has MIXED DXCC, you can assume they were all made with the 
mindless DIGITAL modes and still feel superior...

*(oops, wait a minute, I didn't have to "engage my human brain" and fill out a 
QSL card for these, my computer applied for these. Should they count?)

73, Kevin K3OX 

----- Original Message -----
From: Martin Kratoska <martin@ok1rr.com>
To: topband@contesting.com
Sent: Tue, 09 Mar 2021 18:50:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: Topband: CQ Zones

Jim,

FIRST - thank you so much for your excellent technical references. It 
helps a lot, I highly appreciate your unparalleled performance.

SECOND - am I allowed to differ between a QSO between living operators 
(possibly friends) and two machines?
If yes, allow me, please keep the difference forever. In a competition 
(DXCC, WAZ, counties etc.), modes with engaged human brain and senses 
should be kept separately from the modes where the brain and senses are 
NOT (or are minimally) engaged. Am I asking for too much?

I am NOT biased against any mode. Do you like it? Do it! Do you count 
this as old dog's new trick? Well, do it, go ahead! BTW there are more 
old dogs, some of them are happy to do old tricks, in the same way as 
they did 50 years ago. As Vern Kaspar, W9FAM did! They still going 
strong, some of them unfortunately only in my mind, in my memories...

Unfortunately I MUST be biased against no-code guys who spreads out with 
pride to have 300 countries and actually they have 150 on SSB and 150 on 
FT8. I would ask them to say honestly that they have X on SSB and Y on 
FT8 and no-code. I would appreciate such honest guy, he would deserve my 
highest respect.

What I am doing wrong?

73,
sincerely
Martin, OK1RR

Dne 09. 03. 21 v 20:41 Jim Brown napsal(a):
> On 3/9/2021 6:36 AM, Martin Kratoska wrote:
>> Oh, FT8 should be proclaimed as illegal for DXCC (WAZ, WAS etc.) in 
>> mixed categories.
>> This "mode" should be counted completely separated from traditional 
>> modes like CW or SSB.
>
> Why? I'm a VERY old dog who can still copy CW in my sleep, but who is 
> still trying to learn new tricks every day. And K1JT's modes are new 
> tricks that allow us to defeat the RF noise that is killing weak 
> signal work for all of us, whether we realize it or not.
>
> 73, Jim K9YC
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