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Re: Topband: Air wound coil

To: "Joe Subich, W4TV" <lists@subich.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Air wound coil
From: Richard Beerman <rbeersr@att.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2018 12:18:26 -0500
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Rick and Bob,  Thanks for such  swift replies. Looks like I should try to 
reinforce the 3/8” tubing (it’s pretty short) with a wood dowel or perhaps with 
smaller or larger aluminum tubing. Then the fishing line method should be a 
perfect solution using 24 or 26 gauge wire. Using this method, I think a 
hairpin loop at the base of the vertical will help me achieve resonance. Thanks 
again.  Dick  W5AK 

> On Sep 4, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Richard Beerman <rbeersr@att.net> wrote:
> 
> Top Banders,   This discussion has been tremendously helpful to me as I also 
> am going to put a DX Engineering 68’ vertical when the QRN subsides here in 
> South Texas. Initially, I planned to install a large inductor (looks like it 
> came from a BC transmitter) that I found at a local hamfest. My calculation 
> is that this inductor has around 43 micro henries. According to various 
> contributors, this is not a good solution. I actually did the same back 
> around 1972 with a Hytower on 160 meters! It did work with a pathetic ground 
> system and 40-50 watts from a Ranger II. 
> 
> Anyway, here is my question…. my vertical has 3/8” tubing at the top. Pretty 
> flimsy to connect top loading wires except maybe small gauge wire. I am not 
> sure how well small gauge wire will handle voltages that may appear at the 
> top of a 68’ vertical. So, as an alternative, much like the Hytower does 
> today, what would happen if I installed top loading wires of a larger gauge 
> lower on the antenna where the tubing is more substantial?  Any suggestions 
> regarding where the top loading could be connected on the vertical and 
> approximate length of the top loading wires?
> 
> Thanks,   Dick  W5AK 
> 
>> On Sep 3, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV <lists@subich.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Getting to six would result in a smaller top hat but may not be worth
>>> the mechanical hassle.
>> If the mast has traditional three way guying, the mechanical hassle for
>> a six wire top hat may not be that much greater than a four wire top
>> hat.
>> 
>> If the top hat wires slope downward, keeping them to the minimum length
>> will result in maximum efficiency (and minimum "shielding" of the top
>> of the vertical element).
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>  ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
>> 
>> On 2018-09-03 7:20 AM, Paul Christensen wrote:
>>> I ran the same model in 4Nec2 as below but changed the hat from the 
>>> traditional two wires to four, spaced 90 degs.  Complex base Z is near 
>>> 16+j0.  Even though two symmetrical top-hat wires produce little radiation, 
>>> four wires result in wires that are only 24 ft long to achieve resonance -- 
>>> versus 41 ft with only two wires.  Getting to six would result in a smaller 
>>> top hat but may not be worth the mechanical hassle.
>>>> "4Nec2 shows that with a 68 ft. thin radiator, resonance can be achieved 
>>>> with wires roughly 41 ft. per side.  With a ground field of 60 radials, 90 
>>>> ft long on sandy ground, 4Nec2 reports a base impedance of 15.4+j2.5."
>>> Paul, W9AC
>> 
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