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Re: Topband: FT8 Observations

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Subject: Re: Topband: FT8 Observations
From: K4SAV <RadioXX@charter.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 14:50:08 -0500
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I'm not sure how many people have actually compared the new digital modes with CW as far as low signal level decoding. I did that for a long time when JT-65 first became available. Back then it was much easier to separate one station and compare the reported S/N to what I see on my receiver when using a very narrow passband. There was always a huge disparity, usually 30 to 40 dB. Most of those numbers were taken right off the main screen of a TS-990s, so the accuracy may not be a lot but it's a pretty good indication of how close the signal is to the noise floor.

Then I found this:
http://www.arrl.org/forum/categories/view/31/page:2
You have to sign in to the ARRL site and look for the article titled "JT65, JT9, FT8, SNR explained".

That article says that the S/N reported by JT-65 is actually 29.7 dB more than it should be and JT-9 is 31.6 dB more than it should be. That agrees pretty closely with what I have been observing although my measurement show a slightly larger difference than that, but that could be because my measurements didn't have enough accuracy.

I used to try to identify a signal at that was close to the noise floor and see if JT-9 would decode it. It never did. At a level where JT-9 does decode the signal, it would have been easy copy on CW. So for me, I see no low level signal advantage to these digital modes. I continue to wonder why other people say there is. I wonder if others are using a wide passband when making comparisons (if they really do make comparisons). For low level CW I usually use 150 Hz, sometimes a little less if there is QRM.

Jerry, K4SAV
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