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Re: [VHFcontesting] To submit or not to submit

To: PHIL MIGUELEZ <philnuf@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] To submit or not to submit
From: George Fremin III <geoiii@kkn.net>
Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2024 21:51:12 +0000
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Phil,

Please show this to me - I have been involved in the log checking for
many contests including ARRL VHF contests and while what you describe
can happen it usually does not happen for broken callsigns or broken
exchanges.

If you can show me where this is happening I would like to understand
it and either correct it or understand why it is happening - ie. one
of the stations logged it on the wrong band.



On Mon, Jan 29, 2024 at 04:18:37PM +0000, PHIL MIGUELEZ wrote:
>  K5TR wrote "If you work me and log me as K5TX I do not lose credit for 
> that contact.  Only you will lose credit for that contact."
> 
> I think you will find that if you and I both send logs into the ARRL and I 
> log you as K5TX instead of K5TR, we will both be penalized. 
> You can observe this for yourself by going to ARRL Available LCRs and 
> requesting log check reports for various ARRL contests where you submitted a 
> log. 
> The results are always painful since many times it was not your fault but 
> those are the rules.
> Phil WA3NUF 
>     On Monday, January 29, 2024 at 10:47:05 AM EST, George Fremin III 
> <geoiii@kkn.net> wrote:  
>  
>  On Sat, Jan 27, 2024 at 02:17:21PM -0500, Doug Allen wrote:
> > discussion got me thinking about the scoring again, and how a busted call
> > or miscopied report penalized not only the person making the mistake, but
> > the station worked, as well.
> 
> 
> Please submit your logs.
> 
> We have processes that find most of these cases where folks send in
> logs that have more errors than other logs.  And while the log
> checking could remove credit for contacts / mults from other logs
> mostly it does not chnage the order of finish. And that is the real
> goal of the log checking - to make sure the order of finish is
> correct.  We all make mistakes during the contest - all of us do.
> There are very few logs in any contest that do not have errors in
> them.  The log checking process is also very good at not affecting
> other peoples scores for your errors.
> 
> If you work me and log me as K5TX I do not lose credit for that
> contact.  Only you will lose credit for that contact.
> 
> Generally the more logs we have the better the checking.
> 
> And also it is one of the metrics that is used to determine if the
> contest is 'healthy' - if folks stop sending in logs - the sponsor
> might conclude that the contest is no longer needed.  ie. See the ARRL
> UHF contest.
> 
> Numbers of submitted logs is one of the first (sometimes only) thing
> that is brught up when folks want to know if a contest is 'healthy' or
> growing.
> 
> -- 
> George Fremin III - K5TR
> geoiii@kkn.net
> http://www.kkn.net/~k5tr
> 
> 
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-- 
George Fremin III - K5TR
geoiii@kkn.net
http://www.kkn.net/~k5tr



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