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Topband: Fwd: Re: Adding connectoirs to CATV Hardline

To: "topband@contesting.com" <topband@contesting.com>, terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
Subject: Topband: Fwd: Re: Adding connectoirs to CATV Hardline
From: terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 17:55:25 -0700 (PDT)
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I sent this a couple of days again but never seen it show up in email? Having 
problems getting youtube videos to run too.
Terry
KI7M

> ---------- Original Message ----------
> From: terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
> To: topband@contesting.com, terry burge <ki7m@comcast.net>
> Date: 06/04/2020 10:37 PM
> Subject: Fwd: Re: Topband: Adding connectoirs to CATV Hardline
> 
>  
> FYI...
> 
> A friend provided a 4 ft. spool of 1/2" hardline 75 ohm stuff from a lot he 
> was cleaning up of what appeared to be Comscope coax. Size was 0.595" outside 
> diameter aluminum (no black covering, silver) with copper center conductor of 
> 0.122" best I could figure with my Harbor Freight 'Pittsburg' measuring 
> device. Inner shield 0.35" or so. On the internet I found a site that showed 
> how to use PL-259 with hardline and two sizes of brass tubing. Don't remember 
> the sizes but they were something like 9/16" and maybe one size down. 
> Required splitting an end of the brass tubing and trying to get a good fit 
> over the outside of the back-to-back SO-239's. 
> I used the double SO-259's instead of PL-259's. 
> 
> Would then use double layers of heat shrink tubing and screw down hose clamps 
> to give it some strength. The copper center conductor required trying to add 
> solder to build up it's diameter to to fit tight enough inside the SO-239's. 
> Tough task I can tell you. Wasn't a real strong connection so you had to be 
> careful especially if pulling on the connection up on the tower or on the 
> ground. Still it seemed to work but the jury is still out at my location. 
> Could not see any other way to do this than maybe using wire jumpers like 
> some Baluns use.
> 
> You might look for the site and/or trying to develop something like this. 
> Like I said, the connection had to be used gently. 75 ohm coax to 50 ohm 
> connection so maybe some creative thought on that.
> 
> Terry
> KI7M
> 
> > ---------- Original Message ----------
> > From: RT Clay <rt_clay@bellsouth.net>
> > To: topband@contesting.com
> > Date: June 4, 2020 at 12:21 PM
> > Subject: Re: Topband: Adding connectoirs to CATV Hardline
> > 
> > Plumbing parts work, but the problem is that there is a lot of catv 
> > hardline that is an odd size. For example, I have  some 0.412 inch diameter 
> > cable and some 0.540 inch cable. That is what motivated me to learn how to 
> > use pin connectors.
> > 
> > Tor N4OGW
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Thursday, June 4, 2020, 2:00:38 PM CDT, <lee@k7tjr.com> wrote: 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Guys,
> >     There is an article in one of the ham magazines from years ago that 
> > describes how to make an adapter from brass tubing compression sleve 
> > fittings (from auto parts store) that adapts from 1/2 inch CATV Hardline 
> > cable to UHF male connectors RG-8 size. Anti-oxidants required. I have been 
> > doing this for years with no problems at 1500 watts. There is a pair on my 
> > 80 meter 4-square as we speak. Its been so long that I have since forgotten 
> > where the article was. Perhaps an internet search would bring it up. I 
> > would write something up but I have my hands full at the moment with 
> > cleaning up after a tornado like storm with 100 MPH winds that went right 
> > over my house. Minimal damage except for the top 1/3 of my 160 vertical and 
> > lots of tall trees down in what's left of the yard. All else is fine with 
> > nothing I can't repair.
> >     Good luck.
> > Lee  K7TJR  Culver OR
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Clamps do work ok with CATV hardline, but you have to be careful as it is 
> > very easy to crush the hardline. Also, waterproofing is always a pain.
> > 
> > As W7WKR posted, I also adapt pin connectors, which are the standard way of 
> > terminating catv hardline. Here are some comments:
> > 
> > Pin connectors have the same thread size (5/8") that is found on so-239s or 
> > N connectors. They are fairly cheap to buy new or can be found on ebay. One 
> > difficulty with pin connectors compared to many other hardline connectors 
> > is that it is nearly impossible to install them on catv hardline unless you 
> > have  a coring tool of the right size to fit the hardline. This is because 
> > the pin connectors clamp onto the shield from both sides, so you have to 
> > completely remove the insulation from the hardline for 1-2" back up into 
> > the cable. Coring tools are > $100 new, but I have found them used for 
> > $20-$40. The used ones are often pretty worn out: however, with care you 
> > can sharpen the cutting parts with a file or stone, which makes a big 
> > difference. It can also be tricky to figure out how much center conductor 
> > you need sticking out for a given pin connector- some of the connectors 
> > have little tick marks on the outside that show the correct length to cut 
> > the center conductor.
> > 
> > Once you have the pin connector on, then:
> > 
> > 1. For type N: the body of a "clamp" type N connector will screw directly 
> > onto the pin connector (discard the smaller clamp part with male threads 
> > that normally goes on the RG-8). I just cut the pin to length and file the 
> > end down to a point. You do have to be careful that the point is not too 
> > wide, otherwise it might break the female contact.
> > 
> > 2. For UHF: there are similar clamp-type UHF connectors available with the 
> > same 5/8 thread in the connector body. Here is one example:
> > 
> > https://www.w5swl.com/Coax-Connector-UHF-Female-Clamp-fits-RG-8AU-RG-213-Series-Cable--by-W5SWL_p_466.html
> > 
> > just cut the pin to the right length, solder on the center female 
> > connector, and screw the body on.
> > 
> > 3. You can also just drill a hole in a metal box and attach the pin 
> > connector with a nut meant to go on SO239s.
> > 
> > There are also splice connectors to join two pieces of hardline. These are 
> > nice because they don't require any waterproofing. There are also some that 
> > end in an F connector instead of a pin.
> > 
> > Tor
> > N4OGW
> > 
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