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Re: Topband: 160

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Subject: Re: Topband: 160
From: W0MU Mike Fatchett <w0mu@w0mu.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 12:40:29 -0600
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It seems odd to me that 60 plus percent of all contacts submitted to club log are using a mode that nobody likes.  Maybe just maybe a lot of people really like the mode and most are actually sitting in front of their radio having fun.  How could that be?

That stat is staggering.  Seems like the bands are being used. Maybe we should be thankful for FT8.   300k contacts submitted to Club log, obviously that is not the total number contacts made over 7 days across the bands but over 200k are FT8.  If FT8 did not exist what would be the difference.  I would suggest that a good portion of those contacts would never have happened.  Those folks would not have gone back to CW or SSB.  Many of those stations now making FT8 contacts had very difficult times trying to work any DX.

Will FT8 die off when everyone has worked them all?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  It will be curious to see how FT4 contesting is received.

Back to building my robot.

W0MU

On 8/3/2019 12:20 PM, donovanf@starpower.net wrote:
Hi Bob

The "how to" article is right here:


http://p1k.arrl.org/pubs_archive/63144


73
Frank
W3LPL

----- Original Message -----

From: "Robert Brennan via Topband" <topband@contesting.com>
To: "Cecil" <chacuff@cableone.net>
Cc: "rich k7zv" <rich_k7zv@gphilltop.com>, "Harald Rester" <harryrester@gmx.de>, "Alan 
Swinger" <awswinger@earthlink.net>, topband@contesting.com
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 10:00:03 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: 160

Gentleman,
I have been using ft8 now for a little over a year now and have been relatively 
successful with it.
I also use CW and SSB.
If I can set up my station on ft8 and have it run automatically and collect new 
entities.
I would really like to know how to do that.
Perhaps one of you can write an article for QST.

73 Bob ad6hf

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2019, at 2:45 PM, Cecil <chacuff@cableone.net> wrote:



Sent from my iPad

On Aug 2, 2019, at 4:22 PM, Alan Swinger <awswinger@earthlink.net> wrote:
. Since FT8 operators can walk away and not participate in QSOs, and come back 
after some other activity and see how many new countries and QSOs that the 
computer made, this is unlike Digital modes where operators must remain engaged 
to make QSOs. Therefore, seems to me that such Computer-generated contacts 
should have a separate category in the current award systems since the 
operators are not directly involved in making the QSOs . . . call it 
Computer-Aided Digital or something more clever. No argument that skill is 
required to set up a station to make FT-8 contacts, but a different set than 
what those of us who work DXCC, Challenge, etc use on CW, RTTY, and SSB, 
including those towers, expensive equipment, skills, and years of hard work to 
get the new ones when there was NO FT-8 or similar modes!
So, I do not be begrudge the new low signal computer-aided modes, nor do I cast 
aspersions on the Ops who enjoy using them . . . even though I am unlikely to 
join their ranks, but the Ham community should not penalize those of us who 
used non-FT modes to get our hard earned awards by giving an unfair advantage 
to a new technology. We (Ham Radio) need the New Technology, but these modes 
are sufficiently different in many ways from the older modes that justifies a 
separate category in the award spectrum. Therefore, I urge the ARRL and the CQ 
Magazine leadership to establish a Digital award category that is separate and 
different from the current DXCC et al Digital criteria.
Alan Swinger K9MBQ
Charlottesville, VA



-----Original Message-----
From: rich_k7zv@gphilltop.com
Sent: Aug 2, 2019 4:22 PM
To: Harald Rester <harryrester@gmx.de>
Cc: topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: 160

As ham radio changes there will remain at least a niche for CW, SSB, and
RTTY and it's competitions. FT8 will supplement the bands , not supplant
it, IMO. Do you think FT8, FT4 and whatever digital modes come along are
the future or will something else take its place? Who knows... time and
technology moves on. Maybe it might attract some of the Millennials to
fill in the void by us Baby Boomers who will all too soon be making.
Let's set a good example for them to follow.

Rich K7ZV


On 2019-08-02 12:42 pm, Harald Rester wrote:
Think about the time *we all *could have been on the air, while staring
at our screens, typing and reading. I make QSY to the shack - Hpe CU!

Harry, DH1NBE



Am 02.08.2019 um 21:26 schrieb uy0zg:


I do not propose stopping the FT8.

just compete with each other.

But keep in mind - Arnold will be the first -)):

https://www.alamy.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-terminator-2-judgment-day-1991-image66516208.html



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Nick, UY0ZG
http://www.topband.in.ua

W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-08-02 21:52:
Ah so all FT8 users are cheaters. Does that mean that all Russian
hams use way more power than they should and their scores should not
count either?

The real issue here is change. Ham radio has been in constant motion
and change since it started and I hope in continues that way well
after we are dead.

So we better stop FT8 and protect VE1ZZ?

Sorry no.

Good day.

On 8/2/2019 12:45 PM, uy0zg wrote:

Hello, Mike

This is how the world works so that humanity always has moral
values.

They must be protected.
Example:
in a few years, 334 VE1ZZ countries will lose their value. His
achievements will be eaten by computer programs and robots ....

It is right ?
Will there be many talents at 160 meters like Jack?

Will not be !

On the contrary - more and more stupidity and envy....



---
Nick, UY0ZG
http://www.topband.in.ua

W0MU Mike Fatchett писал 2019-08-02 18:24:
Cheating is cheating. How many people used remote stations,
exceeded
their power limits, etc. Singling out a mode because you are
upset
that it has taken away activity in your preferred mode is not
helpful
to the hobby. Not everyone that use FT8 cheats. Not everyone
that
uses a amp that exceeds their legal limit uses it in that fashion.

How can you guarantee that everyone on the "Honor Role" was 100
percent honorable or even anyone that got DXCC did it right? You
can't so please stop singling out a mode you don't care for. We
get
it. Move on. It is here. Just like the Reverse beacon, packet
cluster, etc.

We are all hams enjoying many aspects of the hobby. Can't we get
along?

W0MU
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