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Re: Topband: JA's came in droves today on 160

To: "'Herbert Schoenbohm'" <herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: JA's came in droves today on 160
From: "Edward Sawyer" <sawyered@earthlink.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2019 14:04:59 -0500
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To each his own Herb.  Nothing against you.  But last I checked – AM morphing 
to SSB never eliminated the person with the voice and the ears.  It just made 
what was happening more efficient.  If the only affect here was RTTY going down 
the toilet because of FT-8, I agree with you.  But when ultimately – its 
computer to computer, the IP address should get the DXCC award no?

 

Ed  N1UR

 

From: Herbert Schoenbohm [mailto:herbert.schoenbohm@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2019 2:02 PM
To: Edward Sawyer
Cc: TopBand List
Subject: Re: Topband: JA's came in droves today on 160

 

Exactly Ed, Just as SSB did to AM and digital modes are doing to RTTY.  Soon it 
may be computers working computers with minimal operator supervision.  Right 
now on FT-8 when statins call my CQ they are answered and sent a signal report 
automatically and the logging is done with a single point and click. CW Maybe 
Kim will allow a fully automated FT-8 application running 24/7 on the 800-foot 
high rise building on downtown Pyongyang.  Still, CW, depending on the 
operator, seems to have the advantage.  Except during a contest, most of the 
160-meter DX has moved to 1840 and more will follow assuredly.

 

Herb Schoenbohm, KV4FZ

 

 

 

On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 2:28 PM Edward Sawyer <sawyered@earthlink.net> wrote:

Such is the new trend.  No offense to KV4FZ whatsoever but if you provide
the easy path.most will take it.  The only way to affect the "easy way out"
is to not provide it.  



I remember year's ago doing CQ WW CW ABLP as C6ARS in 2001.  I ended the
contest on 15M running a couple of hundred JAs. I thought, this is amazing
because I am just as loud from W1 and I couldn't imagine having so many JA
stations call.  Clearly they are much more DXers than full contesters - most
of them.  Still feel that way today.  I have heard piles of JAs calling
right before a contest only to dry up in the contest.



Its fascinating that the above has now shifted to FT8 vs the more
traditional modes in just DXing.  Herb, it would be a very interesting
experiment to shift to CW mid pile-up and see if the group stays with you to
catch the DX opening or does it dwindle to nothing.  I am guessing it goes
to nothing despite the opening.  But would love to hear.



FT8 is changing the "easiness factor" in DXing.  And like technology
assisted driving, once that genie is out of the bottle it ain't never goin
back.  Just try and find an actual stick shift in a new car - almost
impossible.  Why?  It doesn't mesh with the computer driving the car.  



73



Ed  N1UR

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