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Re: [CQ-Contest] Looking up on QRZ.com

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Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Looking up on QRZ.com
From: David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2023 10:20:50 -0700
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Yet people share compiled "Call History" files that are unique to a particular contest and provide all of the exchange information for that contest.  They aren't 100% reliable since people change names or locations, but if you got the callsign correct  ... or even pretty close ... you have a very good chance of being provided the exchange information without having to copy it.  In fact without EVER having previously copying it in a previous contest as long as somebody who contributed their log to the compiled file did.  In my opinion, that's an "external source".

That's why I have never used a Call History file myself.  Just to prove what was possible, though, I once downloaded the entire U.S. and Canadian ham radio license databases and cross referenced them with the downloadable logs of various big gun stations from various contests.  I loaded all the information into a large spreadsheet, moved some stuff around to get the right sequence for the data fields, and then exported it all to create a very large "Call History" file that included every ham in the U.S. and Canada.  It loaded into N1MM just fine.  It probably was only 95% accurate for location and maybe 80% accurate for names since people using nicknames in contests, but in my opinion using it (I didn't) would have been an effective cheat for certain contests.

73,
Dave  AB7E



On 6/2/2023 8:51 PM, Raymond Benny wrote:
Your log is supplied to reflect what you copied in real time!
In most contests, using outside sources to correct a log is illegal.

Ray,
N6VR/W7YA


On Fri, Jun 2, 2023, 6:57 PM Doug Bates <kv4zy.1@gmail.com> wrote:

Art,
I don't claim to know all, but it strikes me as strange that a callsign
lookup on any database could be against any rules. The nearest thing I can
think of that may be anywhere near related in the rules of some contests is
forbidding "Assisted" where contesters follow a cluster to find contacts
that are currently reported as being on. Callsign lookup does not seem to
me to be anywhere close to using a cluster to find contacts. But what do I
know:)
73 & God Bless
De KV4ZY

On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 9:24 PM Art Boyars <artboyars@gmail.com> wrote:

On the N1MM reflector somebody asked about how to use the "QRZ" button
during the contest for calls that don't appear in the "check" window.  I
guess he was talking about the SCP or CHF data files loaded into N1MM.

A few people commented that looking it up on QRZ.com (or some other
online
database??) during the contest was against the rules.

I don't see any difference between using an online databas and using SCP
and CHF (except that SCP/CHF is faster).

What do you wise people think?

73, art K3KU
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