No, they won't. Highly competive OPs do not want to make a fool of
themselves. And even if some do spot themselves every few minutes, it's
still going to be little traffic in comparison to RBN which spots every
CQ from everyone every couple of minutes, from dozens of reverse beacon
receivers at the same time. Just do the math.
73
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Von "Pete Smith N4ZR" <pete.n4zr@gmail.com>
An "Richard F DiDonna NN3W" <richnn3w@gmail.com>
Cc "reflector cq-contest" <CQ-Contest@Contesting.COM>
Datum 23.11.2022 03:22:45
Betreff Re: [CQ-Contest] Is Self Spotting now allowed in ARRL tests?
The difference is that if highly competitive single ops can self-spot, they
will do so after every QSO, not every 10 minutes. They are motivating those
people to clog up the packet cluster network in ways that will make the RBN
seem almost trivial.
73, Pete N4ZR
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For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.
On 11/22/2022 8:17 PM, Richard F DiDonna NN3W wrote:
Why doesn't it? There is no prohibition against it. ARRL has started that you
can spot yourself, have friends spot you, put out posts on Facebook and
Twitter, and have a banner tower aircraft or the Goodyear Blimp broadcast your
frequency.
Skimmer and the RBN puts out your call and frequency on CW every 5 or 6
minutes. How is the aforementioned then any different if you do an autoscript
to blast out your frequency every 5 minutes?
73 Rich NN3W
On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 7:19 PM Pete Smith N4ZR <pete.n4zr@gmail.com> wrote:
It makes no sense to encourage stations to clog the clusters with
spots
of themselves, just because they can.
73, Pete N4ZR
Check out the new Reverse Beacon Network
web server
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For spots, please use your favorite
"retail" DX cluster.
On 11/22/2022 12:12 PM, Tim Shoppa wrote:
> Bob W5OV of the ARRL has corrected me.
>
> He writes "Your reading of PROH.3 is not correct. That exclusion is
> specifically about making schedules, soliciting contacts (i.e.;
CQing), and
> sending or receiving the required QSO exchange information via
non-amateur
> means. It says nothing about spotting."
>
> I myself fail to see any distinction between self-spotting on a
Telnet
> cluster, and soliciting i.e. CQing using non-amateur means, but
that's
> official from W5OV of ARRL.
>
> Tim N3QE
>
> On Tue, Nov 22, 2022 at 9:13 AM Tim Shoppa<tshoppa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> First, make sure you have the latest rules. ARRL didn't update the
>> November SS rules (to the latest, version 1.06) on their
website until late
>> August. Prior to that we just had a confusing tease about
self-spotting
>> from a Contest Update earlier in the year.
>>
>> Link to current SS rules:
>>
https://emea01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcontests.arrl.org%2FContestRules%2FSS-Rules.pdf&data=05%7C01%7C%7Cc2a7f39d4fda449e797f08dacd4b8c96%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C638048021603401497%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=zCrzqzBtnJhzm7rSHSfLAQTknK1u48GIu%2B9dDv3X004%3D&reserved=0
>>
>> My reading of SS rule PROH.3 in version 1.06 of the rules, is that
>> self-spotting is a form of soliciting contacts by a non-amateur
radio means
>> (in this case Telnet cluster) and thus prohibited:
>>
>> "Examples of prohibited conduct [...]: PROH.3. Arranging,
soliciting, or
>> confirming any contacts during or after the contest by use of any
>> non-amateur radio means."
>>
>> One clarification in 1.06 does explicitly allow a corner case
of spotting,
>> that was never previously mentioned in past contest rules. In the
>> definition section you will find, "Generating spotting
information for use
>> by other stations is not considered to be spotting assistance."
So for
>> example you can be hooked up to a cluster and sending spots, as
long as
>> you've set all the filters such that nothing ever comes in to
you from the
>> cluster.
>>
>> Tim N3QE
>>
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