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Re: [Amps] plate choke

To: craxd1@verizon.net, amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] plate choke
From: Colin Lamb <k7fm@teleport.com>
Reply-to: Colin Lamb <k7fm@teleport.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:48:26 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
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When I see such lines as:

It is not an old wives tale,
that a poorly made choke will fail

and

to avoid burning your hair,
park your resonances with care

I see something poetic just behind the grid dip meter.

C'mon, where are the poets when we need them.

Colin  K7FM 

-----Original Message-----
From: Will Matney <craxd1@verizon.net>
Sent: Aug 26, 2005 8:28 AM
To: amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] plate choke


On 8/26/05 at 4:00 AM R.Measures wrote:

>On Aug 26, 2005, at 12:48 AM, Alex Eban wrote:
>
>> The main problem stems from the 160 meters operation!
>> For the higher bands, chokes are usually in the range of 68 to 100
>> microhenries. These are easily wound in a solenoid manner and if you 
>> space
>> wind the last 20 turns or so, chances are you get a choke without 
>> resonances
>> in the ham bands. On the other hand for 1.8 MHz operation the coil
>> inductance goes up in the millihenry range: a lot of turns, crammed
>> together. This is prone to parasitic resonances and usually you will 
>> find
>> that the better amplifiers DO NOT include the top band, or else, they 
>> have
>> some queer arrangement, like two chokes in series or some oddly wound 
>> choke.
>> I remember very well the one made by Barker and Williamson , wound in
>> sections, each on of a different number of turns.
>
>I tested this idea by winding two chokes,   One had a continuous 
>single-layer, and one had various gaps as per the Handbook.    The 
>inductances were about the same and, to my surprise, so were the 
>resonances.  This led me to conclude that end-to-end coils do not 
>decouple unless the gaps are quite substantial.
>--   For maximal decoupling, chokes need to mounted at right-angles.
>--   For maximal coupling, chokes need to be mounted end-to-end.


Exactly! I always thought those coils were still way too close together to do 
any good. The gaps are only around 1/4-1/2" apart. The theory I'd say is 
correct, but the design was wrong. That can be proven using a dip meter running 
either paralell or at a right angle to a coil under test. At a right angle, the 
dip meter wont couple and work.
  
>
>> At some time Collins used
>> them in military radios that covered 2 to 30 MHz continuously. I don't 
>> know
>> whether someone is making them today. This was on of the main reasons 
>> that
>> in military equipment (high power!) they dispensed with the choke and 
>> moved
>> over to series feeding of the high voltage supply. The GRC 106 was one 
>> good
>> example. It employed series feed of the 2400 VDC supply and took the 
>> power
>> out through a link on the coil.
>> Alex         4Z5KS
>>
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