Paul,
GM.
Compelling comments from all in the thread.
Looks like the path is similar to what I hear (from my wife) about the high
school system - Everyone now gets a gold star (just need to show up)... Those
who do better get more than one star.
Let's just get on the air.
I have been on 2m in the mornings participating in the "205" activity.
73,
W1SMS
Steven M. Simons
Manitou Systems, Inc.
ssimons@manitousys.com
tel.203.733.2110
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On Jan 4, 2015, at 8:47 AM, paul newcombe <g6yzc@msn.com> wrote:
> Sorry Bill, I have to disagree with part of you comments.
> 3 categories is too many.
> They should make it "1" category BUT no one is allowed to keep score and the
> contest committee will send every wonderful entrant a certificate to hang on
> their wall telling them they they are all winners in life.
>
> For those of you who do not know me. I am a Brit...
>
> I know far too many hams who do not enter the contests due to the "assistance
> rule". It seems to have been one of those rule put in there by the people
> who believe anything but CW should not be allowed.
>
> My view is just go on the air and put on the square.
>
> Paul N1RJXG
>
>
>
> From: callbill@hotmail.com
> To: packrats@mailman.qth.net; vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 18:29:04 +0000
> Subject: [Packrats] Let's make the contests do what they were supposed to do
>
> i.e.: Get people on the air.,,,,
>
> I haven't heard a lot about this on this reflector or the other email lists,
> BUT.....
>
> Isn't it really ridiculous to have 13 (or is it 14) entrance categories for
> the VHF contests? With decreasing participation it's getting to be that some
> of the categories only have only one (or NO) entries!!!
>
> Not to play the "old guy" card, but I will anyway (Hi Wayne!!) In the 50's
> 60's when I started contesting there were only 2 categories, single op,
> multiop. The participation was at an all time high then. now, what's the
> deal?? everyone gets a trophy??? OR.. no one wants to get on the air unless
> they are guaranteed to win??>
>
> All that being said, I will get on for the contests no matter what because
> it's fun. I don't have any pretense of being able to WIN.. I just like to be
> able to work the guys.. and operating when other stations are on the air is
> FUN!
>
> back in the day we made an occasional phone call to get someone on the air...
> We still made the actual contact "on the air".
>
> I totally embrace the rover category. I think if I had my way there would be
> THREE entrant categories, SO, MO, Rover. but realize this brings up new
> issues.. can we just start to get SANE about this? Does anyone really think
> 13 or 14 entrance categories is good for VHF contesting???
>
> bill, K1DY (ex w3HQT)
>
> From: rick1ds@hotmail.com
> To: k2txb@dxcc.com; packrats@mailman.qth.net
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:33:10 -0500
> CC: hwardsil@gmail.com; w1msw@arrl.org
> Subject: Re: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance"
>
> Everyone is a bit confused at this point as to what these new categories of
> "unlimited" or "assisted" stations can or cannot do. Additionally, if this
> applies to MAP65 for EME, does this also create new categories for the EME
> contest? Patience--hopefully we'll all find out when Ward andor Matt make
> this clearer on the VHF reflectors and answer some questions we have.
>
> From: k2txb@dxcc.com
> To: rick1ds@hotmail.com; packrats@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: RE: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance"
> Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 08:54:11 -0500
>
> Hi Rick & all. That paragraph is hard to understand in the context shown,
> and even in context. The context is that it applies to the Single Operator
> Unlimited. However when it says “not physically locat4ed at the station is
> permitted”, that is very unclear at least to me. Does that mean one could
> use cw skimmer if it is not located at the station, but could not use it if
> it was located at the station? Very poorly written rule, I think.
>
>
>
> Also the exception, “spotting information obtained from any source
> outside the station boundary via a closed or dedicated communication
> link may not be used.”. So does that rule out the internet if connected via
> a wire line? How about if you are receiving internet via satellite…?
>
>
>
> I suspect that that exception is trying to say that one cannot set up a
> private link to a remote receiver and use that for spotting (or for other
> contest purposes I would presume), but why not say that?
>
>
>
> Well, just my two cents… I don’t like assisted classes for contests anyway…
>
>
>
> 73, Russ K2TXB
>
>
>
> From: Packrats [mailto:packrats-bounces@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick R
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:56 PM
> To: packrats reflector
> Subject: [Packrats] What N0AX says about "Assistance"
>
>
>
> In the absence of alternative rulings from HQ about what constitutes the
> boundary between SO and SOU, I would use the following from the HF Rules
> (http://www.arrl.org/general-rules-for-arrl-contests-below-30-mhz):
>
> *2.2.1.*Use of spotting assistance or nets (operating arrangements
> involving other individuals, DX-alerting nets, packet, multi-channel
> decoders such as CW Skimmer, etc) not physically located at the station
> is permitted. (Exception: spotting information obtained from any source
> outside the station boundary via a closed or dedicated communication
> link may not be used.)
>
> Before anybody gets cranked up about HF rules in VHF+ contests, remember
> that the original recommendation was only to create SOU in all ARRL HF
> contests and it was the P&SC which extended it to VHF+ without any
> additional discussion. So the original recommendation was based on
> 2.2.1 as above. That definition needs to be broadened and made less
> dependent on specific technology but it will suffice for now.
>
> 73, Ward N0AX
>
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