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Re: [VHFcontesting] Multiple Calls, Same Rover [was: Septemebr VHF

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Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Multiple Calls, Same Rover [was: Septemebr VHF
From: "k9tms@mindspring.com" <k9tms@mindspring.com>
Reply-to: k9tms@mindspring.com
Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 08:23:08 -0500
List-post: <mailto:vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Due to the un-ending stream of these emails K9PLS has decided not
participate as a rover. 

Looks like the Pig-Pen Lawyers win again. 

> [Original Message]
> From: Kenneth E. Shaker <kenharker@kenharker.com>
> To: <w0eea@sbbco.net>
> Cc: VHFContesting <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> Date: 9/5/2005 9:45:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] Multiple Calls, Same Rover [was: September
VHF
>
> On Sun, Sept 04, 2005 at 08:46:59PM -0600, w0eea@sbbco.net wrote:
> > Hi Eve and Tom,
> > 
> > General Rule 3.5 is brought forward into the "General Rules for ARRL
> > Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz" by
> > Rule number 1.3 therein.  Rule 1.3 is equal in force to rules 2.3.1 and
> > 2.3.2...  Therefore the "General Rules for
> > ARRL Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz" contradict themselves.  
>
> There is no contradiction.  The very first rule in the General Rules is:
>
> 1.   Precedence of Rules:
> 1.1. Rules for individual contests or events, including Field Day, take 
>      precedence over all General Rules.
> 1.2. General Rules for HF and VHF contests take precedence over General 
>      Rules for all contests. 
>
> A rover station can be used with one and only one call sign, be it family
> members or otherwise at the controls.
>
> >                                                              While we
could
> > petition the ARRL for a
> > ruling on the matter,  if they have been permitting such operations in
> > contests up to now,  then unless or until
> > they issue a clarification of the rules such operation must be
considered
> > acceptable.
>
> Can you provide some specific examples (call signs) of such operations?
>
> My guess is that either (a) they were non-competitive entries where the 
> there was no indication given that they were made from the same vehicle,
> and while you may have known what was being done, the ARRL Contest Branch
> does not, or (B) they did not submit logs and enter the contest.
>
> > 73,
> > 
> > Jim
> > 
> > 
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Radio sporting Fan" <radiosporting@yahoo.com>
> > To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 6:01 PM
> > Subject: [VHFcontesting] Multiple Calls,Same Rover [was: September VHF
> > Contest plans.]
> > 
> > 
> > > --- "k9tms@mindspring.com" <k9tms@mindspring.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Eve;
> > >>
> > >> Read the rules, <snip>
> > >
> > > Hi Tom,
> > > Please accept my apology if my inquiry came across as
> > > a personal attack.  Simply chalk it up to the problems
> > > with using e-mail for discussions.  Nothing was
> > > further from my mind.
> > >
> > > I took your suggestion and read the rules more
> > > closely.  The ARRL's rules "layer" on top of each
> > > other.  Each layer supercedes the previous where they
> > > differ.
> > >
> > > The "base" rules are those called "General Rules for
> > > All ARRL Contests".
> > >
> > > The next layer is called "General Rules for ARRL
> > > Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz".  Where the two
> > > differ, it is the "General Rules for ARRL Contests on
> > > Bands Above 50 MHz" that take the stronger position.
> > >
> > > The strongest layer consists of the rules for the
> > > particular event.  In this case it is the "2005
> > > September VHF SO Party Rules".  They take the highest
> > > position over the previous two, where they differ.
> > >
> > > According to the "base" rules (referred to as "General
> > > Rules for All ARRL Contests"), you accurately
> > > reference the "family rule", 3.5.
> > >
> > > It is only when one goes to the higher authority of
> > > "General Rules for ARRL Contests on Bands Above 50
> > > MHz" that one finds rules that say...
> > >
> > > 2.3.1.A rover vehicle may transport only one station
> > > using a single call sign.
> > >
> > > 2.3.2.A rover may not operate with more than one call
> > > sign.
> > >
> > > ... effectively super ceding the family rule allowance
> > > in the subordinate rules -- but only for
> > > Rover-category participants.
> > >
> > > Lastly, the highest authority is titled, "2005
> > > September VHF SO Party Rules" and are silent on the
> > > topic.  That leaves the "General Rules for ARRL
> > > Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz" as the final
> > > authority.
> > >
> > > Lest anyone thinks I'm anti-family...Rovers may have
> > > up to two operators under one call sign, certainly
> > > allowing for two-operator families to spend quality
> > > road-time together.
> > >
> > > One simply needs to know how important it is to use
> > > our wife's call sign rather than our own.  We learned
> > > that in guy-school so many years ago.  I think that
> > > was the lesson right after the one about goofing up
> > > the laundry enough that she finally tells us that
> > > she'll do it from then on.  :))
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Eve, W2EV
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> -- 
> Kenneth E. Shaker WM5R
> kingmaker@kenharker.com
> http://www.kenharker.com/
>
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