Why doesn't someone just call Dan and see what he has to say? That would
be a quick answer.
Just for conversation sake, let's say that is not within the rules to
operate the rover with multiple family calls. (even though this has been
covered)
Why is it such an important topic here? If Rover A goes out and gives out
Q's as CALL1 and CALL2, the stations working the calls are not penalized
for working them. The Qs are not invalidated or removed from your log in
the scoring process. I had 40 Q's with a rover who was DQ'd in 2002. I
didnt lose any of the Q's I made with that rover. Furthermore, if a
station is not submitting a log for the contest, they do not have to follow
the rules of the contest. I could have 20 people come to my house and get
on 1296 CW and work people with the same transmitter, each with their own
call. The stations who are able to work the 20 different calls now have 20
q's in the log.
There has been a lot of time spent recently debating things at length. I
sure wish everyone would spend as much time recruiting new people to the
bands as they do typing on this forum.
Mark
N9UM
At 09:45 PM 9/5/2005, Kenneth E. Harker wrote:
>On Sun, Sep 04, 2005 at 08:46:59PM -0600, w0eea@sbbco.net wrote:
> > Hi Ev and Tom,
> >
> > General Rule 3.5 is brought forward into the "General Rules for ARRL
> > Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz" by
> > Rule number 1.3 therein. Rule 1.3 is equal in force to rules 2.3.1 and
> > 2.3.2... Therefore the "General Rules for
> > ARRL Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz" contradict themselves.
>
>There is no contradiction. The very first rule in the General Rules is:
>
>1. Precedence of Rules:
>1.1. Rules for individual contests or events, including Field Day, take
> precedence over all General Rules.
>1.2. General Rules for HF and VHF contests take precedence over General
> Rules for all contests.
>
>A rover station can be used with one and only one callsign, be it family
>members or otherwise at the controls.
>
> > While we could
> > petition the ARRL for a
> > ruling on the matter, if they have been permitting such operations in
> > contests up to now, then unless or until
> > they issue a clarification of the rules such operation must be considered
> > acceptable.
>
>Can you provide some specific examples (callsigns) of such operations?
>
>My guess is that either (a) they were non-competitive entries where the
>there was no indication given that they were made from the same vehicle,
>and while you may have known what was being done, the ARRL Contest Branch
>does not, or (b) they did not submit logs and enter the contest.
>
> > 73,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Radiosporting Fan" <radiosporting@yahoo.com>
> > To: <vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 6:01 PM
> > Subject: [VHFcontesting] Multiple Calls,Same Rover [was: Septemebr VHF
> > Contest plans.]
> >
> >
> > > --- "k9tms@mindspring.com" <k9tms@mindspring.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ev;
> > >>
> > >> Read the rules, <snip>
> > >
> > > Hi Tom,
> > > Please accept my appology if my inquiry came across as
> > > a personal attack. Simply chalk it up to the problems
> > > with using e-mail for discussions. Nothing was
> > > further from my mind.
> > >
> > > I took your suggestion and read the rules more
> > > closely. The ARRL's rules "layer" on top of each
> > > other. Each layer supercedes the previous where they
> > > differ.
> > >
> > > The "base" rules are those called "General Rules for
> > > All ARRL Contests".
> > >
> > > The next layer is called "General Rules for ARRL
> > > Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz". Where the two
> > > differ, it is the "General Rules for ARRL Contests on
> > > Bands Above 50 MHz" that take the stronger position.
> > >
> > > The strongest layer consists of the rules for the
> > > particular event. In this case it is the "2005
> > > September VHF QSO Party Rules". They take the higest
> > > position over the previous two, where they differ.
> > >
> > > According to the "base" rules (referred to as "General
> > > Rules for All ARRL Contests"), you accurately
> > > reference the "family rule", 3.5.
> > >
> > > It is only when one goes to the higher authority of
> > > "General Rules for ARRL Contests on Bands Above 50
> > > MHz" that one finds rules that say...
> > >
> > > 2.3.1.A rover vehicle may transport only one station
> > > using a single call sign.
> > >
> > > 2.3.2.A rover may not operate with more than one call
> > > sign.
> > >
> > > ... effectively superceding the family rule allowance
> > > in the subordinate rules -- but only for
> > > Rover-category participants.
> > >
> > > Lastly, the highest authority is titled, "2005
> > > September VHF QSO Party Rules" and are silent on the
> > > topic. That leaves the "General Rules for ARRL
> > > Contests on Bands Above 50 MHz" as the final
> > > authority.
> > >
> > > Lest anyone thinks I'm anti-family...Rovers may have
> > > up to two operators under one callsign, certainly
> > > allowing for two-operator families to spend quality
> > > road-time together.
> > >
> > > One simply needs to know how important it is to use
> > > our wife's callsign rather than our own. We learned
> > > that in guy-school so many years ago. I think that
> > > was the lesson right after the one about goofing up
> > > the laundry enough that she finally tells us that
> > > she'll do it from then on. :))
> > >
> > > Kind regards,
> > > Ev, W2EV
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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>--
>Kenneth E. Harker WM5R
>kenharker@kenharker.com
>http://www.kenharker.com/
>
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