I guess I don't have a problem with the use of
different kinds of modes in VHF/UHF contests. As you
say, the VHF world is different. I think a weak-signal
1296 QSO between W6 and G should count, even if direct
detection weren't used. Why should we disallow hscw
and wsjt QSOs? I think if the ARRL wanted to, they
could set their contest rules up so that all could be
happy, including the guys who work hard to improve the
communcations state of the art.
73 de Paul, K7CW
--- Tree N6TR <tree@kkn.net> wrote:
> > So my question is " What does The League think
> of HSMS and WSJT,
> > where the same general situation is taking place."
> I am hearing that
> > people do not even want to run SSB skeds anymore.
> That's fine, but will
> > there be any question about these QSOs from the
> ARRL who just so happen,
> > process all the logs?
>
> Interesting question. When was the ruling on the
> eme QSO made?
>
> I guess instead of asking what the ARRL thinks
> (which is better
> answered by making a phone call), I would be
> interested in knowing
> what other VHF contesters think. I have a pretty
> solid calibration
> on what is desirable for HF contests, but I admit
> that there are
> some differences in the VHF/UHF world. I don't see
> anything wrong
> with that - and making "one size fits all" could be
> a mistake.
>
> At a basic level - having the human ear used for
> detection of
> the signals makes sense. The day might be coming
> where technology
> could replace the human ear with enough performance
> to make the
> human detection method non competitive... I for one
> would not
> welcome that day as I think it would remove most of
> the fun and
> make the results less dependent on operator skill,
> but rather
> how well you can program your DSP. I feel the basic
> thing that
> makes ham radio interesting compared to just sending
> e-mail is
> putting on your headphones and listening.
>
> It would appear that the ARRL ruling on the eme QSO
> agrees with
> this viewpoint. So did Ellie Arroway in Contact.
>
> HSCW is a very interesting case... because you are
> using your
> ears. This is a slight variation on the "backcopy"
> feature that
> some voice memory keyers have... the ability to do
> an instant
> replay. WSJT takes this a step furthur and couples
> the strip
> chart display with possible auto CW detection.
>
> Some of the HF contests have a rule in them that
> says something
> like "information must be decoded in real time by a
> human".
> Without this, CW contests could turn into RTTY
> contests, which are
> a lot different in nature and many people wouldn't
> not find them
> as much fun.
>
> So - what is the opinion of the VHF/UHF community?
> I am not trying
> to say developing these tools shouldn't be done.
> Just trying to
> understand if we want to use them in contests. We
> could hit
> golf balls a lot furthur if we could use more
> technology - but
> would anyone be interested?
>
> Tree N6TR / K7RAT
> tree@kkn.net
>
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