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Re: [TowerTalk] Choke on feed point of dipole

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Choke on feed point of dipole
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2026 03:35:52 -0800
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On 1/13/2026 1:53 PM, David Gilbert wrote:
Default ground specs were used.  (0.005/13 over Real/MININEC)

Ground quality both close to our antenna and in the far field have a profound effect on vertically polarized antennas. There's useful information in my study of the heights of vertical antennas, and how they, and the signals they radiate, interact with the surface of the earth, for soils that differ greatly from one QTH to another.

Verticals care as LOT about ground quality and a bit about height. The electromagnetic nature of the soil varies a LOT from one QTH to another. In granite mountains where I live, ground is lousy for RF. 30 miles to the east is Silicon Valley, wildly developed, so lousy ground. 50-7 miles to the east is fertile soil with pretty good electromagnetic properties, another 30 miles east and it's wine country, not great soil for radio. That's where N6RO is, and they were never the biggest signal on the lower bands when I lived in Chicago, even though they had a great antenna farm.

Horizontal antennas care NOTHING about soil quality but EVERYTHING about height.

I live in the Santa Cruz mountains, which is mostly granite with a layer of "duff" -- a rather absorptive soil comoposed of centuries of the small bits of vegetation that fall off the redwoods throughont the year, but especially during storms. As we walk through it, our feed are cushioned by the softness of it. Well into our rainy season, when that duff gets increasingly saturated, the only useful vertical in my antenna farm, a Tee for 160M, works better. On higher bands, the absorption from the trees and the lousy soil makes verticals useless, while high dipoles for 80 and 40 work great. The highest dipole I could rig for 160M was at 120 ft, not quite a quarterwave. The optimum height of a horzontal antenna for those lower bands is 1/2 wave.

A horizontally polarized antenna at a quarter wave is as low antenna, with poor field strengthen at low to mid-high angles. For more than two years after I moved here, I had a 160M dipole at 120 ft and a 100 ft Tee with a lot of on-ground radials, some pretty long, some shortened by the location of buildings and other concrete. I did a LOT of on-the-air comparisons with the two, and the dipole rarely won (but it did with certain propagation conditions, as any on-air student of propagation who could have switched between multiple antennas would have experienced.

I strongly suggest that you look at my work on this, and that you follow my suggestions in an earlier post about plotting the vertical patterns of the two antennas on the same axes. There, and using the cursor to put dB numbers to the differences, we see that the antenna whose current maxima has significantly greater field strength at lower angles, which, on average, makes for greater DX performance. Yes, a few dB. But any serious contester in a limited station will tell you that 2 dB, and sometimes 1 dB, can be the difference between a QSO or not; or longer to make it with QSB.

Being sure of ourselves is not a great way to learn stuff we missed the first time around.

73, Jim K9YC

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