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Re: [TowerTalk] Choke on feed point of dipole

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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] Choke on feed point of dipole
From: David Gilbert <ab7echo@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2026 12:02:50 -0700
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What is say is absolutely true, but in today's world it would be possible to actually quantify some of those things.

For real time propagation it is hard to beat PSK Reporter's map of FT8 activity, assuming you have a receiver posting reports to it ... or somebody living near you that is doing so.

As for as monitoring real time arrival angles of incoming signals, I keep telling myself I'm going to write a browser-based application that takes the 2-channel audio feed from a rig with two phase locked receivers (a K3 with new synths in my case, but there are other rigs that can do it) connected to two antennas and computes/displays the phase difference.  It's the kind of thing that is often used for diversity reception in the horizontal plane, but it could be done with over/under dipoles as well.  It works in a browser because the relative phase of two RF signals is preserved in the conversion to audio.

The app could also incorporate phase shifting of one signal and then adding or subtracting it from the other to achieve directional beaming.  The volumes could be equalized just using the knobs on the rig.

I haven't done it yet, though.  And it might be simpler just to buy an SDRduo and run it using SDRuno in diversity mode.  No reason that it couldn't be done with over/under dipoles.

In all cases, a small oscillator (crystal controlled or something like the popular Silicon Labs programmable ICs) positioned between the two antennas could provide a reference to compensate for the phase difference in the two feedlines.

Dave   AB7E





On 1/15/2026 11:25 AM, kq2m@kq2m.com wrote:

It's sort of like ionospheric propagation - you can use VOACAP and it's ilk, which make some simplifying assumptions (Chapman layers, etc.) or you can just use PHARLAP (which is a full on 3D raytracing).

Or you can operate a lot and learn how propagation actually works in real-time by observing the constant changes in path, wave-angle, signal strength, etc. and have fun working people too!

And then, when you become a propagation master, you can start to predict what will happen next just by listening to subtle changes in the band noise.  That's way beyond VOACAP or any propagation program that exists.

73

Bob, KQ2M

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