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Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] High power 2:1 transformer was Re: 16om vertical and the number of radials
From: Jim Brown <jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Reply-to: jim@audiosystemsgroup.com
Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2022 15:11:35 -0800
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That was Rudy's earlier work, on the basis of which I rigged at 4-5 ft. Their efficiency was poor. I consulted N6BT, who has also done extensive work on radials for his expeditions, who gave the advice quoted below. When I raised them t 16-20 ft, my signal got louder. Tom was right, Rudy was not.

73, Jim K9YC

 On 12/3/2022 3:00 PM, Artek Manuals wrote:
If you read N6LF's work closely (see fig16 in 3/2012 QEX) you will see that radial height above 5' adds a few 10ths of a db improvement at most. (8ft =.015 wavelength above ground) Given noise and QSB on 160 hardly worth the effort ..IMO.  Ditto on the number of radials more than 4 at a reasonable (8') height buys very little as well. What is actually more important is soil conductivity  Rich farm loam vs sandy Florida (Fig 15)  is worth 5DB !!! I cant imagine trying to keep sixteen 134' radials 20 feet in the air !

Another good read on elevated radials ( non resonant radials) that doesn't get much play is by K5IU, "Optimal Elevated Radial Vertical Antennas" , Communication Qrtly, spring 1997. If Google is not your friend contact me off list and I will send you a copy.

Dave NR1DX


On 12/3/2022 2:17 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
On 12/3/2022 10:20 AM, Chuck Dietz wrote:
Thanks for the info. I think I am going with 60 radials on the ground. I
want to use the 160 vertical tower to support an 80 meter array around it. Elevated radials might make adjustments way more complicated.

It's worth studying N6LF's work on elevated radials. He stresses that keeping radial currents equal reduces loss, that making them slightly shorter than resonant helps that, and so does having MORE elevated radials -- for example, 8 is better than four. From N6BT, I learned that elevated radials for 160M should be at least 16-20 ft high; I learned that when I asked him why my 4 ft high radials weren't working well.

I have a
tractor and a good welder guy to weld a bracket and tube to a single plow
shear to make a radial plow.

Remember that the only virtue of burying radials is to protect them from damage, or from being a trip hazard. We are NOT trying to couple the antenna to the earth. The function of radials is to SHIELD the field produced by the antenna from the lossy earth, and to provide a low resistance path for the antenna's return current IN PLACE OF THE LOSSY EARTH.

Radials DO couple to the earth, and the ground loss shows up as series resistance. But radial current divides by the number of radials, power loss is I-squared R, so gets smaller in each radial twice as fast as the number of radials is increased, so more radials reduces loss.

73, Jim K9YC


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