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Re: [TowerTalk] 40M rotary dipole

To: Clay Autery <KY5G@montac.com>
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 40M rotary dipole
From: John Simmons <jasimmons@pinewooddata.com>
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2017 07:28:59 -0500
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Motorola R56 manual. It is the bible for fixed sites, including bolting the racks down to the floor in case of earthquake.

73,
-John NI0K

Clay Autery <mailto:KY5G@montac.com>
Thursday, September 21, 2017 6:34 AM
Are you endorsing the purchase of this book, Jim?  I believe I saw that
you had some input into it, but I've been hesitant to purchase it.

Have to say, I found a Motorola tech manual that has an entire chapter
and appendix on bonding/grounding communication facilities that seems
like pure gold.

Thanks for all your efforts to stamp out misinformation in this realm of
the hobby. <smile>

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Jim Brown <mailto:jim@audiosystemsgroup.com>
Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:33 PM
Very good post, Grant. I want to emphasize/clarify a few points. It's clear to me that YOU get them, but others might not. :)

The post to which I was replying was about bonding coax to a tower. It was not about a dipole strung between trees. And you're entirely correct that if the dipole center was at a tower and the coax was properly bonded to the tower, a choke at the feedpoint would isolate the dipole from the tower. Ditto for a beam on the tower. The purpose of the bonds is to prevent arcing between the tower and the coax in a lightning event by keeping every point on the coax as close as practical to the same potential as the point on the tower that is physically next to it. It is standard practice at commercial VHF/UHF radio sites.

Further, the tower is NOT ground, it's a vertical antenna with its base (usually) grounded! It's only a tower at DC. Lightning is NOT a DC event, it is an RF event. The word "bond" in the electrical contest means an very low impedance connection between grounded points that is electrically and mechanically robust and can carry all possible load current. The purpose of bonding, is, in general, to keep the bonded elements at the same potential. While the purpose of this bonding (coax to tower) is lightning protection, proper bonding within a premises (home, shack, audio/video system, building, etc.) also minimizes issues with hum, buzz, and RF noise.

BTW -- all of this stuff is in Ward Silver's new ARRL book on Power, Grounding, Bonding, etc. and much of it is in http://k9yc.com/GroundingAndAudio.pdf

73, Jim K9YC


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Grant Saviers <mailto:grants2@pacbell.net>
Wednesday, September 20, 2017 10:59 PM
It is a bit confusing since "bonding" usually refers to providing a ground path for lightning protection as in the case you mention as a means to keep the coax shield at the same potential as the tower along its length if there is a strike. For tall towers multiple bonding points are recommended. For hardline it is a bit easier to understand since the jacket is stripped for an inch or so and a copper strap wrapped around the solid shield and a heavy gauge lead then connected to a bonding plate on the tower or the grounding point at the base. There is no penetration or interruption of the shield at a bonding point. The hardline probably continues to an antenna or to a jumper coax where the end of the shield may or may not be connected to the tower (ground) at the antenna, not for a dipole.

As you conclude, if the shield was grounded at a dipole feedpoint the pattern would change. A choke between the bonding point and the antenna feedpoint effectively disconnects the outside of the shield from those two points as well as preventing currents from flowing on the outside of the shield if the antenna is not balanced. Even though a dipole is a "balanced" antenna I think they are rarely perfectly balanced due to all sorts of things nearby - houses, powerlines, trees, etc. So to keep the feedline from becoming part of the radiating (and listening) antenna system a choke is a very good idea. Note that the coax may still become part of the system, particularly when elevated and it acts as an antenna. Another good reason to bury feedlines.

OTOH, if you don't care about the pattern of your dipole, don't have feedline induced receive noise, or don't have RF in the shack, one might not bother with a choke. Generally, not too bad a bet with dipoles since they really want to work. For OCF, end feds, G5RV's, verticals with limited radials, and other wildly unbalanced antennas, probably a bad bet.

Grant KZ1W



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Dave Sublette <mailto:k4to@arrl.net>
Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:50 PM
Well regarding the bonding of the coax shield at the top and bottom of the tower… I’m having a hard time understanding this. If the shield of the coax is connected to the top of the tower(or at the point on the tower where the antenna is mounted), one side of the dipole then is connected to the tower at that point. I would think that would disturb the radiation pattern, the match, and anything else that can be disturbed (including me) !

Dave, K4TO

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Wes Stewart <mailto:wes_n7ws@triconet.org>
Wednesday, September 20, 2017 7:04 PM
It's not even pretty easy to measure these values.



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