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Re: [TowerTalk] 40M rotary dipole

To: Dave Sublette <k4to@arrl.net>, towertalk@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [TowerTalk] 40M rotary dipole
From: Grant Saviers <grants2@pacbell.net>
Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2017 20:59:03 -0700
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It is a bit confusing since "bonding" usually refers to providing a ground path for lightning protection as in the case you mention as a means to keep the coax shield at the same potential as the tower along its length if there is a strike. For tall towers multiple bonding points are recommended. For hardline it is a bit easier to understand since the jacket is stripped for an inch or so and a copper strap wrapped around the solid shield and a heavy gauge lead then connected to a bonding plate on the tower or the grounding point at the base. There is no penetration or interruption of the shield at a bonding point. The hardline probably continues to an antenna or to a jumper coax where the end of the shield may or may not be connected to the tower (ground) at the antenna, not for a dipole.

As you conclude, if the shield was grounded at a dipole feedpoint the pattern would change. A choke between the bonding point and the antenna feedpoint effectively disconnects the outside of the shield from those two points as well as preventing currents from flowing on the outside of the shield if the antenna is not balanced. Even though a dipole is a "balanced" antenna I think they are rarely perfectly balanced due to all sorts of things nearby - houses, powerlines, trees, etc. So to keep the feedline from becoming part of the radiating (and listening) antenna system a choke is a very good idea. Note that the coax may still become part of the system, particularly when elevated and it acts as an antenna. Another good reason to bury feedlines.

OTOH, if you don't care about the pattern of your dipole, don't have feedline induced receive noise, or don't have RF in the shack, one might not bother with a choke. Generally, not too bad a bet with dipoles since they really want to work. For OCF, end feds, G5RV's, verticals with limited radials, and other wildly unbalanced antennas, probably a bad bet.

Grant KZ1W

On 9/20/2017 19:50 PM, Dave Sublette wrote:
Well regarding the bonding of the coax shield at the top and bottom of the tower… 
I’m having a hard time understanding this.  If the shield of the coax is connected to 
the top of the tower(or at the point on the tower where the antenna is mounted), one side of 
the dipole then is connected to the tower at that point. I would think that would disturb the 
radiation pattern, the match, and anything else that can be disturbed (including me) !

Dave, K4TO
On Sep 20, 2017, at 8:04 PM, Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws@triconet.org> wrote:

It's not even pretty easy to measure these values.

On 9/20/2017 3:29 PM, Jim Thomson wrote:
##  Pretty easy to get 7500-11,000 ohms of RS these days.... using just 4 x 
cores +  teflon  RG-142U..and thats
from   160-10m. http://myantennas.com/wp/product/cmc-230-5k/     He can put a 
balanced output on the box...
with whatever coax connector you want on the input side.   Put 2 of these in 
series for an eye opener.
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