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Re: Topband: ARRL 160M and 1830-1835 change

To: Tim Shoppa <tshoppa@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: ARRL 160M and 1830-1835 change
From: GEORGE WALLNER <aa7jv@atlanticbb.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 22:30:58 -0400
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Tim,
You are right. In theory the window could work. But the problem is that those (non-DX) who violate the rules suffer no consequences. Therefore, those with the cheek gain an advantage.
But,..
A much (much) bigger problem is stations with strong clicks. I believe that some may be intentional. If you have strong clicks you will have fewer stations near "your" frequency. The result is a quieter frequency and a higher QSO rate! (While the rest of us get squeezed even more.) In any case, clicks, whether intentional or just the result of either negligence or a poorly set up station, should not give the source station an advantage!

73,
George,
C6AGU




On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 21:42:02 -0400
 Tim Shoppa <tshoppa@gmail.com> wrote:
George, in ARRL 160 the DX would *only* be looking for W/VE  if CQing during the 
contest. So the DX Window concept has some value (if anyone ever respected it which 
they didn’t).

This is a fundamental difference from CQ160 where DX can work DX for points.

Arguably DX-only-works-W/VE makes ARRL 160 less popular with some segments of DX hams. 
It’s certainly a fundamental part of the ARRL 160 DNA.
On Oct 22, 2020, at 9:31 PM, GEORGE WALLNER <aa7jv@atlanticbb.net> wrote:


If 1,830 - 1,835 is reserved for "intercontinental contacts", who will should CQ? The DX? 
He is not a DX on his own continent. These "DX windows" are not practical.

73,

George

C6AGU/AA7JV


On Thu, 22 Oct 2020 14:43:52 +0000 (UTC)

Jon Zaimes via Topband <topband@contesting.com> wrote:

Interesting Tim.

November QST came in a few days ago, and the summary of rules in there says 
"1.830-1.835 MHz should be used for intercontinental contacts only."

Dropping that rule was long overdue so glad to see it stated in the rules online.
73/Jon AA1K


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From: Tim Shoppa <tshoppa@gmail.com>

To: topBand List <topband@contesting.com>

Sent: Thu, Oct 22, 2020 9:35 am

Subject: Topband: ARRL 160M and 1830-1835 change


Also as I review this years ARRL 160M rules...


An earlier version of the rules (current in 2012) here

http://www.arrl.org/files/file/Contest%20Rules%20PDFs/2012/2012-160M-Rules-V2.pdf

says "6.1 The segment 1.830 to 1.835 should be used for intercontinental

QSOs only".


The latest version here

https://contests.arrl.org/ContestRules/160M-Rules.pdf notes that "6. the

1830-135 kHz window is no longer reserved for W/VE-to-DX QSOs in this

contest".


Does anyone recall, when the rule was officially changed? It wasn't being

well respected in some previous years if it was in effect.


Tim N3QE

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