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Re: Topband: Slightly OT - amplifier noise

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Subject: Re: Topband: Slightly OT - amplifier noise
From: Michael Tope <W4EF@dellroy.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 07:06:43 -0700
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I just happen to have a spare MFJ-1026 at home. I did a real quick test using my FT1000MP MK-V while powering the MFJ-1026 from an Astron supply. Similar to your results, Steve, I got about a 12 to 14 dB increase in the noise floor on 10 meters when the MFJ unit was turned on and connected to the MK-V's main antenna input versus when the MFJ unit was powered off. This suggests you would have to resort to having low-noise pre-amps ahead of each of the MFJ-102x two signal paths and the right amount of attenuation after the MFJ-102x's combined output to work in your particular very low noise situation.

Since the main antenna path is normally bypassed for transmit, to put a pre-amp ahead of the main antenna path you would have to either move that MFJ-102x out of the transmit path by putting it in a receive-path breakout-loop that is common on many modern transceivers (e.g. between RX_OUT and RX_IN jacks), or you would have to have add a dedicated T/R bypass scheme for the external main path pre-amp.

FWIW, I also made some gain measurement on my MFJ-1026 (both main and sense path gain controls fully clockwise):

Main Antenna Path Gain:
10 Meters: 4dB
15 Meters: 3dB

Sense Antenna Path Gain (sense-path pre-amp on and internal jumpers set for maximum gain):
10 Meters: 0.5dB
15 Meters: 1.6dB

Difference between having Sense Path Pre-Amp On vs Off:
10 Meters: 8dB
15 Meters: 9dB

I used an Elecraft XG3 as the signal source and an HP141T to measure amplitude.

73, Mike W4EF...................




On 3/16/2020 9:47 AM, Steve London wrote:
This has been a very interesting thread - Thanks for all the input.

Perhaps I have set my expectations too high.

A typical application is on 15 meters, late in the opening, working JA's from here in SW New Mexico. Absent any local QRN, the band is very quiet. Any local noise covers the bottom layer of 5 watt JA's calling me.

I did some more testing with the MFJ-1025. With no antennas connected, the box raises the noise floor about 10 dB, irrespective of the Aux Antenna Gain or the Main Antenna Gain. I haven't yet tried powering from a battery, to make sure the power supply isn't the source. Assuming the J310's are quiet, that leaves the 2N5109 emitter follower, or the back-to-back protection diodes. Might also try disconnecting the RF sense circuit.

73,
Steve, N2IC
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