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Re: Topband: FT8 on 160 - how you can make a difference

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Subject: Re: Topband: FT8 on 160 - how you can make a difference
From: K4SAV <RadioXX@charter.net>
Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2019 19:51:08 -0500
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NR2DX asked: "If read your post correctly you are saying that you are working against an ambient noise level of 20-30 db over S9 is that correct.? "

No. The S9+20 to 30 dB is the S meter reading when all the FT8 stations are transmitting after the band opens a little. Receiver bandwidth was 1.5 kHz. Tuning to a clear frequency my noise level was about S1 with 200 Hz bandwidth when I made these tests. I usually used 100 Hz bandwidth when measuring the signal level of the FT8 signal for determining his actual strength. Sometimes less if there were multiple signals in the passband.


W0MU asked: "Have you attempted to open a conversation with the creators of the mode and discuss what you are seeing?"

No I have not. I have also not seen any published data from anyone showing actual performance. All I see are claims based on calculations. Theory is good but it has to agree reasonably well with actual measurements. If not, one of the two is in error.

Yes DX last year on 160 CW was pretty scarce. Even when I was hearing S6 FT8 signals from Europe I would tune down to the CW portion of the band and usually there were no CW signals there.

When I was doing these tests I was using WSJT-X in FT8 mode on 160 meters. I was using version 2.0.0, which was the latest version at the time.

Jerry, K4SAV
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