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Re: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure

To: "'Jim Thomson'" <jim.thom@telus.net>, <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure
From: "Ham Hicks" <ham306@bellsouth.net>
Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2018 15:02:08 -0400
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Yes, we all pretty much agree it would be in the best interest of the
majority to keep it active. 
However, spend a moment of think of how this came about. Young, millennial
staff members are following the mandate to find available budget money to
match a proposed administration budget. Millennials - therein lies the
problem.  They are not technically conversant, live in today's world of
handheld real-time communication, have never had much, if any, science
education, and probably never staffed the WWV idea with the various Federal
communications folks. The answer - correspond or call your Representative
and Senators to register an objection.  Yes, most of them won't have a clue,
but you can believe they'll find out when the tally adds up.

Ham, KB4BR

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Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2018 12:33 PM
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Subject: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure

Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2018 22:49:49 -0400
From: "Paul Christensen" <w9ac@arrl.net>
To: <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: OT - US Hams, WWV closure

<Several options:  (1) CHU is still operating on several HF frequencies that
reasonably cover North America; (2) In the U.S., AM broadcast stations are
required to maintain +/- 20 Hz carrier stability (73.1545).  However, nearly
all modern BC transmitters can easily meet 2 Hz, and some are now
phase-locked to a precision standard.  

Most modern amateur gear covers the MW band.  One could sample several AMBC
stations, throw out the outliers, then calculate a geometric mean and attain
a very accurate reference. Incidentally, some legacy ham-band-only gear
never did cover WWV -- or if it did, it was received by a different band
mixing scheme, then a pre-selector is peaked for resonance.  

In the shack, I use a GPSDO with a distribution amp that locks several
transceivers and some test equipment.  A surplus $100 USD rubidium standard
is Velcro-strapped to my HP frequency counter.  It comes up to temperature
and locks within 5 minutes of powering.  The accuracy of both devices far
exceeds my needs.

Paul, W9AC 

##  After very  carefully aligning the .25 ppm  TCXO  in both my yaesu
MK-Vs...
using the 20 mhz  wwv,   I tuned across the entire AM 540-1710  khz  band,
and only found
ONE station that was dead on freq, and that  was  CBC   on 690 khz,  in
Vancouver  BC. 
The rest were   several hz too high..or  several hz too low.   Some were as
much as  20 hz off freq. 

##  Even if you could find  just one  AM broadcaster that was dead on freq,
the  540-1710 band is
much too low to align a TCXO.   If  say you were off by 1 hz  at 1000 khz,
you would be off  10 hz 
at 10 mhz..and  30 hz  at 30 mhz, etc.   And with no  high freq  WWV  to
compare to,  you would have no
clue as to which of the myriad of 540-1710 AM  broadcast stations  is
actually anywhere close to being on freq.

##  CHU  broadcasts on just  3.33 mhz, 7.85 mhz..and  14.67 mhz.   All 3 are
pretty weak here on the west coast.  
WWV  is instead used here on the west coast, as  CHU is  typ  too
unreliable.   
The price tag on all this surplus   GPSDO   / rubidium gear  will skyrocket
if and when  WWV  is shut down.  
I can not see  WWVB being shut down at all,  too many consumer devices  rely
on it. 

Jim   VE7RF

  
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