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Re: Topband: 80m rotatable dipole load coil questions

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Subject: Re: Topband: 80m rotatable dipole load coil questions
From: Wes Stewart <wes_n7ws@triconet.org>
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2016 14:54:47 -0700
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On 10/10/2016 9:03 PM, Ray Benny wrote:
I am building a 90 ft, 80m rotatable dipole. I am near the point of fabricating 
the inductors/coils that will go about 23 ft out on the element. I am guying 
the element just before the inductor. I have several questions:
1. Does the size of the gap between the center element and element tip make 
much difference? Is one inch enough, or should it be almost the same size as 
the coil length?
I suppose it depends on how you mount the inductor; concentric or offset. I suggest making the gap at least the length of the inductor.
2. Is there advantage of winding the coils of copper vs. aluminum? Is it worth 
silver plating the copper windings? I'm most likely planning to use 1/4" tubing 
either way.
Both materials will tarnish (oxidize). Since aluminum is already oxidized, I would go with it, since we are both in AZ where, until the big one, we are removed from salt air. Silver plating is a waste, IMHO, and not necessarily of any benefit. See: http://k6mhe.com/n7ws/Plating.pdf
3. Once I figure out the total length of the element, a friend is going to run EZNEC and tell me the inductor valve I need. I will use a calculator to compute the physical dimensions of the coils. What is the advantage of building the coils on either 3 inch vs. a 4 inch form?
Is there anything else to consider in the construction of this antenna?
Tnx for your thoughts,
I "built" your proposal in AutoEZ (http://www.ac6la.com/autoez.html) and EZNEC. I assumed your 90' overall length, inductors at 23' from center. The inner tubing 1.5" diameter; a 1' length to hold the inductor, 1" diameter and the remaining length also 1" diameter. I modeled in free space to avoid unknown ground and height effects.

AutoEZ is too cool for words (I was an early beta tester) and has a built-in resonating function. I let it set the reactance of the inductor to resonate the element. I used 3.55 MHz for this and came up with +jX = 413 (18.5 uH). Now the fun part is to sweep the inductor Q (X/R), by using a swept variable "R". I can then plot (or tabulate) the gain v. Q. The point of this is to question the wild claims about the superiority of coil X (no pun intended) to coil Y. I don't know whether the following table will make it through the list filter but here it is:

        F            Q                                    R X      SWR    GAIN
3.550   50      
        
                55.02   -0.71   1.101   0.67
3.550   75      
        
                50.41   -0.37   1.011   1.05
3.550   100     
        
                48.11   -0.22   1.040   1.25
3.550   125     
        
                46.73   -0.13   1.070   1.38
3.550   150     
        
                45.81   -0.08   1.092   1.47
3.550   175     
        
                45.15   -0.04   1.107   1.53
3.550   200     
        
                44.65   -0.01   1.120   1.58
3.550   225     
        
                44.27   0.01    1.129   1.62
3.550   250     
        
                43.96   0.03    1.137   1.65
3.550   275     
        
                43.71   0.04    1.144   1.67
3.550   300     
        
                43.50   0.06    1.149   1.69
3.550   325     
        
                43.32   0.07    1.154   1.71
3.550   350     
        
                43.17   0.07    1.158   1.73
3.550   375     
        
                43.04   0.08    1.162   1.74
3.550   400     
        
                42.93   0.09    1.165   1.75
3.550   425     
        
                42.82   0.09    1.168   1.76
3.550   450     
        
                42.73   0.10    1.170   1.77


IMHO, what this shows is that an inductor Q of 200 or so is good enough and heroic efforts to increase it are met with rapidly diminishing returns, as well as increased cost, wind loading, etc.

Using K7MEM's calculator (http://www.k7mem.com/Electronic_Notebook/inductors/coildsgn.html) which implements Terman's formulas, also, the late Charlie Michaels, W7XC, simplified some of Terman's tables to determine the AC resistance of a coil. ("Loading Coils for 160-Meter Antennas", QST, April 1990) Using these references, I did some playing.

Arbitrarily, I selected 12 AWG bare wire and a 1:1 length to diameter ratio. Skipping some of the arithmetic and assuming I did it correctly, for 18.5 uH the program calculates among other things that 18 turns requires ~174" of wire on a 3" dia form. The DC resistance is therefore ~0.11 Ohm. From Michaels, the AC resistance ~1.62 Ohm @ 3.55 MHz. So Q ~ 250. Good enough.

What your design has going for it is that it's not too heavily loaded. Shorter lengths would require much more loading.

FWIW,

Wes  N7WS

Ray,N6VRLocated in central AZ
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