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Re: Topband: Which is best for copying the weakest DX - DSP or the ear-b

To: Greg Zenger <n2gz@gregzenger.com>, topband@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Topband: Which is best for copying the weakest DX - DSP or the ear-brain combo?
From: <charlie-cunningham@nc.rr.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2015 5:27:39 +0000
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Some  years ago, a few of us would occasionally have QSOs that we called 
"Martin Luthers" -as in "I had a DREAM last night!" and we'd send off the QSLs 
and would often get one back! This was especially true on 160. I still, 
occasionally , have a "Martin Luther"! Straining right down into  the noise 
level and QSB for ESP-level signals!

73
Charlie, K4OTV 
                     
---- Greg Zenger <n2gz@gregzenger.com> wrote: 
> I suspect a well trained and practiced brain may be able to out perform a
DSP assisted average brain... However over the course of a contest (24-48
hours of [near] continuous operating)  a DSP assisted average brain may
have an advantage due reduced listening fatigue... Of course some DSP can
positively contribute to listening fatigue and others negatively... Quality
of DSP and operators ability to adjust are key factors here. This is a
topic I follow closely, but can't think of any articles or studies off hand
that would answer your question... A sold PhD thesis topic this would be.

Greg N2GZ
On Aug 4, 2015 9:02 PM, "Roger D Johnson" <n1rj@roadrunner.com> wrote:

> Although I don't consider myself among the "highly-skilled and talented",
> I
> can't think of an instance where DSP made the difference between making
> a contact or not. I do have an Autek QF-1A wired into the audio of the main
> receiver of the K3 as the AudioPeakingFilter on the K3 is too sharp.
>
> 73, Roger N1RJ
>
>
> On 8/4/2015 8:25 PM, Art Snapper wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Are you referring to a specific modulation mode?
>>
>> How about adjacent channel interference issues?
>>
>> I like your question.
>>
>> Art
>> ᐧ
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2015 at 7:39 PM, Mike Waters<mikewate@gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to know whether it's ever been established that some very
>>> talented
>>> hams can out-hear the best SDRs and/or DSP available. Can a skilled
>>> ear-brain combo (such as some highly-skilled and talented 160 meter
>>> contesters) beat state-of-the art digital signal processing when it comes
>>> to copying the very weakest of signals buried in the noise?
>>>
>>> I always thought Linrad was the best DSP software, though I never got it
>>> working right here (older sound card issues in Xubuntu).
>>>
>>> I asked the following question at
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.eham.net/ehamforum/smf/index.php?topic=104388.msg861047#msg861047
>>> : "Are there any people who can hear weak signals with a good analog
>>> receiver, who --if they could instantly switch their antenna and
>>> headphones
>>> from the analog RX over to the best SDR made today-- simply couldn't hear
>>> any better with today's best SDRs and/or DSP software?"
>>>
>>> There's been a few opinions, but how about multiple valid tests?
>>>
>>> 73, Mike
>>> www.w0btu.com
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