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Re: Topband: Modeling a BOG

To: jbwolf@comcast.net, Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>, Topband <topband@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Modeling a BOG
From: "K1FZ-Bruce" <k1fz@myfairpoint.net>
Reply-to: k1fz@myfairpoint.net
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 10:17:36 -0500
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A few years ago when I started playing around with BOG antennas, I buried a 160 foot length  existing BOG  2 to 6 inches.  I lost more than 6 DB on 160 meters. On 80 meters signals went WAY down. I did not go further with exact measurements.    Lower frequencies have deeper, less attenuated, earth penetration. 

73
Bruce=K1FZ
www.qsl.net/k1fz/beveragenotes.html

On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 08:19:56 -0500, Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com> wrote:
I highly doubt any NEC based model predicts an accurate pattern for wires
buried in dirt, in ground contact, or very near normal earth. It would mostly be a case of GI =GO.
73 Tom



----- Original Message ----- From: "James Wolf" <jbwolf@comcast.net>
To: "'Mike Waters'" <mikewate@gmail.com>
Cc: "'topband'" <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Modeling a BOG


> Mike,
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> The reason the beverage wire in the model is 2 ft. below the surface is to > have it away from the ground somewhat and have a nice segment length from > the wire to ground on each end. The model shows only about 2 dB > difference in gain and no pattern difference between the wire 1” below > ground and 2ft., which I suspect could be correct for 160 meter > frequencies. Of course, the pattern is the problem. >
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> In practice, I would lay it on the ground and after a few years, it would > be just below the surface. >
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> Hmmm. BBG – Beverage Below Ground. >
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> Jim – KR9U
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> From: Mike Waters [mailto:mikewate@gmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:26 PM
> To: jbwolf@comcast.net
> Cc: topband
> Subject: Re: Topband: Modeling a BOG
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> I have never heard of anyone burying a BOG. The radials could be buried an > inch or so, but a BOG should lay on the ground or slightly above. 2 ft. is > two feet too deep. > > About 200' is a common length for a BOG on 160. >
> 73, Mike
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> www.w0btu.com
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> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:51 PM, James Wolf <jbwolf@comcast.net> wrote:
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> I am trying to model a BOG (Beverage On or in the Ground). ... As soon as > I drop the antenna below ground level, approx. 2 ft. without errors, I > lose all indication of directivity except for a few dB. I have tried > different lengths from 200 ft. to 800 ft. >
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