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Re: Topband: Modeling a BOG

To: <jbwolf@comcast.net>, "'Mike Waters'" <mikewate@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Modeling a BOG
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2015 08:19:56 -0500
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I highly doubt any NEC based model predicts an accurate pattern for wires buried in dirt, in ground contact, or very near normal earth.

It would mostly be a case of GI =GO.

73 Tom



----- Original Message ----- From: "James Wolf" <jbwolf@comcast.net>
To: "'Mike Waters'" <mikewate@gmail.com>
Cc: "'topband'" <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Modeling a BOG


Mike,



The reason the beverage wire in the model is 2 ft. below the surface is to have it away from the ground somewhat and have a nice segment length from the wire to ground on each end. The model shows only about 2 dB difference in gain and no pattern difference between the wire 1” below ground and 2ft., which I suspect could be correct for 160 meter frequencies. Of course, the pattern is the problem.



In practice, I would lay it on the ground and after a few years, it would be just below the surface.



Hmmm.  BBG – Beverage Below Ground.



Jim – KR9U



From: Mike Waters [mailto:mikewate@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2015 8:26 PM
To: jbwolf@comcast.net
Cc: topband
Subject: Re: Topband: Modeling a BOG



I have never heard of anyone burying a BOG. The radials could be buried an inch or so, but a BOG should lay on the ground or slightly above. 2 ft. is two feet too deep.

About 200' is a common length for a BOG on 160.

73, Mike

www.w0btu.com



On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 6:51 PM, James Wolf <jbwolf@comcast.net> wrote:

I am trying to model a BOG (Beverage On or in the Ground). ... As soon as I drop the antenna below ground level, approx. 2 ft. without errors, I lose all indication of directivity except for a few dB. I have tried different lengths from 200 ft. to 800 ft.



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