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Re: Topband: Shunt feeding the Skyneedle

To: "Carl Braun" <Carl.Braun@lairdtech.com>
Subject: Re: Topband: Shunt feeding the Skyneedle
From: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Reply-to: Tom W8JI <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2014 11:14:45 -0500
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You can temporarily use an inductor in series with the cap to extend the range. It will not be a good idea for transmitting, but OK for tuning.

----- Original Message ----- From: "Carl Braun" <Carl.Braun@lairdtech.com>
To: "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com>
Cc: "160" <topband@contesting.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: Topband: Shunt feeding the Skyneedle


Thanks for the input Tom

The only variable cap I have is the EF Johnson which is 60-160pf. I have some ham radio stuff at my parents house not the least is a Jennings 1000pf vac variable rated at 5KV or 7.5kv. I was hoping to use that with a 12v motor for QSYing up the band for contesting. I'll have to ask mom to send it to CA in a pkg with some cookies.

When the gamma arm was at 90' I was able to add 160pf to get a resonance point around 1825 but the resistance was still high at 58-60 and X was 20++. Maybe the big vacuum cap would bring that R and X down to where it needs to be.

ON4UNs figure 9-85 on page 9-71 of his third edition shows that a tower that is electrical 110 to 130 degrees should have a tap height around 20 meters and a matching cap of 400pf. That being said it may be a good idea to get the vac variable into service. I would assume I would want to raise the gamma arm back up to 90' as it resonated closer to 1825 than the latest iteration which shows a Fr near
1.977


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On Feb 4, 2014, at 6:40 PM, "Tom W8JI" <w8ji@w8ji.com> wrote:

Here's what changed though...when I had the gamma arm at 90' with the 14 gauge gamma wire 24" away from the tower I was able to insert my Johnson 60-160pf variable cap in series with the gamma wire to get approx 58-60 ohms at X=20. The cap was 2/3 meshed at this point. >>>

That's the right way. You have to cancel the reatcance of the drop arm to get a good reading. Maybe you need a larger capacitor to hit the bottom of the band? Resistance normally goes up in a case like yours as frequency is drecreased.

<<<NOW that I've lowered the gamma arm to the 67' level...I insert my variable cap and the antenna resonates at 1.970 MHz with R=36 ohms and X=0. For some odd reason the MFJ SWR reading shows 1.0:1 with this 36 ohm reading and, inside the shack, the Ft1000D shows 1.0:1 swr from 1.988 to 1.950 and a 1.5:1 range of 2.007 to 1.930>>>

What does more capacitance do?

<<<<It now appears that the antenna is a bit short but why am I seeing these crazy high resistance readings with no variable cap in line?>>>

You should see them. The MFJ detector is a 50 ohm bridge. It will overflow and give all kinds of goofy readings when impedance is far away from 50 ohms.

<<How can I lower the resonant freq without moving the gamma arm up? Increase the spacing of the gamma wire from the tower? Add more radials?>>>

I would have left it at the top and shorted the wire to the tower at different places until I found the sweet spot. But you have to dip the reactance out to really know what you have.

<<<
I was going to build a three conductor wire cage with the wires spaced 10" apart or so once I had an idea where the antenna resonates. Would a fatter gamma trio drop the resonant freq or just change the capacitance value of the antenna?>>>

A fatter shunt wire will lower reactance and resistance. You will need more C, and the tuned resistance will be a bit lower.
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