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Subject: [SECC] Notes on 40 and SAC
From: w4nti at mindspring.com (Dan/W4NTI)
Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2006 15:26:36 -0500
Dead center hit.

The "new RTTY operators"  just don't give a rip about CW. 

Dan/W4NTI



ku8e at bellsouth.net wrote:
> Bill...
>
> You don't get the point and are side stepping the issue. Sure, It is true 
> that legally you can
> operate RTTY where the FCC rules say you can , which includes the whole bottom
> end of 40 meters.
>
>  The point is there have been bandplans, gentleman's agreements (both formal 
> and informal)
> or whatever you want to call them in place for longer than you and I have 
> been hams. You know as well as I do that there is a DX window of 160 meters - 
> 1825-1830.  These agreements are meant to
> be a gentlemanly way to "keep the peace" and allow everyone to enjoy whatever 
> activity they like to do
> be it DXing , ragchewing, CW, RTTY or whatever...
>
>  Many of the new RTTY operators out there are just ignore these agreements 
> and operate where they want and use the same arguments you do that it's their 
> "right" because the FCC says they can operate on a certain frequency. I have 
> had a RTTY operator start up on a frequency I have been
> on many times. At least on CW you can do a QRL? to ask if the frequency is is 
> use. I doubt that RTTY
> operators do this... they just start up where they want too. I'm not saying 
> there are not bad apples on CW.. there probably are and maybe they are 
> handling things the wrong way by jamming a RTTY station who might of 
> interupted their QSO.
>
> The bottom line is this RTTY/CW issue didn't exist before a few years ago 
> until programs like MMTTY
> became available to make it easy to get on this mode without much investment 
> of $$$...
>
> Jeff KU8E
>
>
>
>   
>> From: Bill Coleman <aa4lr at arrl.net>
>> Date: 2006/09/27 Wed PM 11:22:42 EDT
>> To: <ku8e at bellsouth.net> <ku8e at bellsouth.net>
>> CC: <secc at contesting.com>
>> Subject: Re: [SECC] Notes on 40 and SAC
>>
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2006, at 9:40 AM, <ku8e at bellsouth.net>  
>> <ku8e at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>
>>     
>>>  AA4LR wrote :
>>>
>>>  " Perhaps during a RTTY or SSB contest, the CW ops might head to  
>>> 7100-7150. At least for the next two or three years."
>>>
>>>    Sorry Bill... that ain't going to happen.
>>>       
>> Probably not, but it was a good suggestion.
>>
>>     
>>>   Besides, why should those operating CW move ?
>>>       
>> Because the frequency is busy.
>>
>>     
>>>   The guys
>>>    operating RTTY and SSB are encroaching on frequencies, that for  
>>> years have be used for CW only.
>>>       
>> They are definitely NOT!!! "encroaching". In Region 1, RTTY is  
>> supposed to be in the area of 7025-7050; SSB is supposed to be  
>> 7050-7100. Naturally, in a contest, things get crowded and people  
>> spread out.
>>
>>     
>>>    There was no problem until RTTY contesting started becoming more  
>>> popular.
>>>       
>> As a member of the SECC, an organization dedicated to promoting and  
>> improving radio contesting, I see nothing wrong with increasing  
>> involvement in contesting, regardless of mode.
>>
>>     
>>>     As far as SSB.. I    think those DX stations who operated below  
>>> 7040 should be DQ'ed.
>>>       
>> To be fair then, any Region 1 or Region 3 station who makes a CW  
>> contact above 7040 should be DQ'd as well.
>>
>> (And I guess that means that all RTTY contacts with Regions 1 and 3  
>> will have to be exactly on 7040....)
>>
>>     
>>>    There are gentleman agreements (i.e bandplans) that have been in  
>>> place for years. They say
>>>    7040 for DX RTTY and 7080-7100 for everyone else. Just because  
>>> the FCC rules say you could
>>>    technically operate RTTY in the 160 meter DX window would you do  
>>> it ???  No
>>>       
>> What DX window? There is NO DX window in the 160m bandplan. (See:  
>> http://www.arrl.org/FandES/field/regulations/bandplan.html)
>>
>>     
>>>     I realize this ain't going to work for a major contest like  
>>> CQWW RTTY.
>>>       
>> Then why suggest it?
>>
>>     
>>>   I see no reason why the
>>>   RTTY activity can't shift up to include 7100-7150.
>>>       
>> Because many hams in Regions 1 and 3 aren't allowed to operate there.
>>
>>     
>>>   Those frequencies are not used much since the
>>>   novice class was phased out.
>>>       
>> Why don't we use these frequencies for domestic QRP CW operation  
>> then? Why is that so absurd, but trying to use the same frequencies  
>> for international DX contests isn't?
>>
>> Bill Coleman, AA4LR, PP-ASEL        Mail: aa4lr at arrl.net
>> Quote: "Not within a thousand years will man ever fly!"
>>              -- Wilbur Wright, 1901
>>
>>
>>     
>
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