We don't really know what the committee found in his log. Maybe they
were giving him a warning shot across the bow or maybe they didn't find
all the padded fictitious contacts.
If it were me, I would require a written public apology at the very
least which would include all cases where he cheated.
Based on the above apology and the subsequent research to see if he was
honest and complete in that apology, I would suspend him for a period of
no less than 3 years from any CQ contest.
This should be a message to all that cheat that there will be serious
consequences for doing so.
There are plenty of people claiming assistance and claiming unassisted
and not getting caught. There are plenty of people using more power
than the class allows and are not getting caught.
Obviously the most scrutiny will be giving to the top 10 or 20 in each
class.
I have a hard time forgiving Dim when he publicly posted to this forum
and essentially pleaded innocence. My friend you had an opportunity to
come clean and if you did many would have given you a 2nd chance. Now
you have turned the spotlight on every single contest submission you
have ever been involved.
It is a shame that a operator with so much talent still felt the need to
cheat.
In the end you are really only cheating yourself. You are only as good
as your word. If you are cheating, fudging, pushing the rules, just
stop. The prize is a plaque or a piece of paper. The penalty is losing
face, losing friends and never ever being trusted to operate in a
contest again. Is it really worth it?
On 5/16/2015 12:20 AM, Mats Strandberg wrote:
Brian,
Have no doubts that I see this violation as very serious, and very
intentional.
I also agree that the possibility to "return to other CQ events" already in
2015 seems non logical. Atletes who use steroids will have a much longer
"moratorium" for new entries. This shold also apply to our sport. Repeated
violations whould also be considered much more serious. If CQWW CC had
known what we know today about TO7A's multiple cheating, then perhaps the
letter would have been formulated in a more strong way.
What my message was all about, is that ONE person is now THE cheater, and
lots of others are protected by our well motivated anger towards what he
has done. I have no naive belief that TO7A and all the other DQd in CQWW
represent the only cheating that took place in 2014. This is unfortunately
just the tip of the ice berg.
I am convinced lot of others in that WW list also have used excessive power
and log padding, faked contacts, used rubber watches and maybe even remote
receivers in other continents to facilitate better reception. Even more
sad, is that hundreds of others have been doing the same thing without
being caught. That is however our sad reality. We can not catch everyone
cheating, we have to focus on the big fish.
Nevertheless, we need to have an open soul to forgive if someone who has
TRULY serious intentions to correct his or her behaviour.
I know a few guys that I have discussed power cheating with, who actually
have changed behaviour and stopped using their huge amps in contests at
least. That is typical things that we should strive for, and such changes
of a person only happens if he feels that he despite all is part of our
contest community. To eternally exclude people who have failed to live up
to our expectations is also doomed.
What we need to do - especillay in countries where flexibility with truth
is bigger is to dare to question a system that has become an accepted
pattern. This we can do in many ways.
If UT5UGR has guts enough to face the strong chilly wind that will blow
towards him in case he openly admits that he did very wrong, then at least
I am ready to consider forgiving. I say consider, because it all depends on
how I perceive his serious intentions and in case I feel in the future that
he has complied to what he promised.
Lost trust does not return by itself, and not easily. Some people have
harder to forgive and there is nothing wrong with that. If a person has
cheated, he must be aware that he in some peoples' eyes always will remain
a cheater. That is part of the calculated risk when violating rules in any
situation of life.
Hope |I made myself clear that I have no deviation from your thoughts, and
I also do not forgive more easily than others. However, this situation
needs all our involvement unless we are happy to cement a community divided
in honest and cheating contesters.
73 de Mats RM2D
2015-05-16 1:21 GMT+03:00 brian coyne <g4odv@yahoo.co.uk>:
Stan & Mats,
Let us be quite clear, Dim's actions were no mistake but a pre-meditated
and planned deception knowing the risks involved if discovered.
A public apology would be the right thing to do but in reality would it
make any difference to our perception of his character? Some may forgive
but no-one would forget.
*To hunt a wounded wolf until the end of the horizon might help us to
"satisfy our wish forrevenge", but does it really make things better? - *
RM2D.
That really isn't going to happen is it? The penalty which has been
imposed is solely a DQ for the 2014 entry only, he can return for this
years CQ events, a mere slap on the wrist in my view.
Something I have learned in my time on this planet is that people do not
change. The softly-softly, three strikes and you are out ete approaches
to offenders adopted in these past 40/50 years have been shown not to work,
a severe penalty for a first serious offence is the best policy. Prima-
facia it may appear an odd analogy for me to use but consider this - Iraq,
Libya, Tunisia, Egypt, who had hardline leadership had no turmoil within
their own boundaries whilst those original leaders were in power.. Whatever
our own opinions in the western world on those peoples limited, or lack of,
democratic and human rights what choices do you truly think the peoples
of those countries would settle for, now or before? We live in the real
world Mats and it is not an ideal one, your expressed thoughts on support
and example are commendable and may succeed with minor transgressors but
would have very limited success with the Dim's of this world.
In another thread it has been mentioned that a DQ in any qualifying event
will be a disbar to selection for a WRTC Team, a befitting rule which has
some teeth and no doubt will apply to Dim. I noted from those same rules
that there are qualifying places for 'Assisted' operators therefore there
is absolutely no reason or excuse for anybody who aspires to operate in
WRTC to use undeclared assistance.
73 Brian C4Z / 5B4AIZ.
------------------------------
*From:* Mats Strandberg <sm6lrr@gmail.com>
*To:* Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com>
*Cc:* "cq-contest@contesting.com" <cq-contest@contesting.com>; Yuri <
ve3dz@rigexpert.net>
*Sent:* Friday, 15 May 2015, 12:51
*Subject:* Re: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
Very well expressed Stan,
Anyone that openly admits a mistake, apologizes for it, and expresses a
sincere desire to improve, could ultimately be forgiven (by most people at
least).
However, and this is important, the person must come to that conclusion
himself, and then in public express his reasons for wrongdoing, and a
trustworthy plan how to change for the better.
Let us hope that this process will develop into reality eventually. I
believe that cheaters who convert to becoming reliable and honest
competitors again, will also have an important roll in changing other
persons' behavior into the better. Without good examples of change, others
will think it is impossible.
We are a community based on friendship, and we have an important function
to collectively bring people into the right thinking and ethics. If someone
fails, it is also our obligation to be there and support that person to
adjust behavior and return back to our community. To hunt a wounded wolf
until the end of the horizon might help us to "satisfy our wish for
revenge", but does it really make things better?
One person is now taking the full blow, while there were dozens of cheaters
in the 2014 CQWW. All others are in some way protected by the exposed one,
even if their offence to our sport is the same or even worse. Log padding,
unclaimed assistance, power cheating is the same to me. Nothing is better,
nothing is worse.
How many can with the hand on the heart say that they never cheated somehow
in sports, card games or in contesting. There are too many, way too big
amps out there, for all of us to be perfectly innocent. Running 3, 5 or 10
kW is nothing better than log padding or cheating with clusters or RBN. It
is still the same offence to those who practice 100% fair play contesting.
73 de RM2D, Mats
2015-05-15 12:14 GMT+03:00 Stan Stockton <wa5rtg@gmail.com>:
Yuri,
This needed to be said. I doubt Frank was thinking very clearly when he
listed anything other than single op entries or entries where the log
submission was known to be in Dim's control and did not mean to cast
doubt
on anyone and everyone who has ever operated in the same room over the
years.
The committee had a strong enough belief regarding unclaimed assistance
that they were willing to DQ. EA5RS found solid proof of an even more
major crime they had apparently not found.
This whole thing resembled a pack of wolves going after a wounded animal.
I feel somewhat sorry for Dim. It's very sad since he appears to be good
enough to perhaps win playing fair. I'm sure, like many of us, radio
contesting is an important thing to him. He is ruined, but ultimately is
to blame for the outcome.
Whether the contest community as a whole is willing to ever forgive him
if
he is apologetic and proves he can reform his ways is a big question.
Personally, I hope he confesses, apologizes and asks for forgiveness.
Then, and only then, will we see.
73...Stan, K5GO
On May 14, 2015, at 7:39 AM, Yuri <ve3dz@rigexpert.net> wrote:
Good morning Frank.
I see you listed UGR's WRTC results and also all his Multi Op
participations below.
Do I understand you correctly that you also question all these scores?
Do you know that all WRTC teams had onsite referees who were monitoring
teams audio live 24/hr?
For the record - UT5UGR was my partner at WRTC 2006. Do you suggest
that
the PW5X score you listed below is not legit? As well as all his other
M/S
and M/M participation?
Now all the people with whom he operated over the years are under
suspicion?
Thanks.
Yuri VE3DZ/W8
P.S. You missed his 1996 WRTC score (K6K) where we were partners too
and
ended up being #32 (or 34?) and also UGR's WRTC 2000 score where he and
his
partner were outside of top ten...
----- Original Message ----- From: <donovanf@starpower.net>
To: <cq-contest@contesting.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2015 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
Hi Mike,
Exactly the same log padding technique is present the the 2013 and
2014
TO7A CQWW CW public logs. In both cases proven well beyond a
reasonable doubt.
Many of UT5UGR's logs are public, available for crowdsourcing
feedback.
His log padding technique is now publicly known.
There's a clear precedence for past and future actions against blatant
cheaters in our radiosport hobby: W9WNV
Does anyone now believe that any of the records below are legitimate?
More than 30 of them are in he province of the CQ Contest Committee
If so, please email me so I can sell you a bridge.
CQ WW DX CW Contest 1989 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) 4-th place world.
CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 1990 UT5UGR SO-SB (40m) 7-th place world.
AA DX SSB Contest 1990 RT1U M/S 1 place world.
IARU HF World Championship 1990 RT1U M/S 4-th place world.
CQ WW WPX CW Contest 1991 UT5UGR SO-SB (20m) 5-th place world.
IARU HF World Championship 1991 RY1U M/S 2 place world.
WAE SSB Contest 1991 RY1U M/S 2 place EU.
IARU HF World Championship 1992 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 6-th place world.
IARU HF World Championship 1993 UT5UGR SO-CW 7-th place world.
IARU HF World Championship 1995 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 4-th place world.
WAE CW Contest 1995 RU1A M/S 1 place EU.
Russian DX Contest 2000 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 1 place world.
CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2000 UT5UGR SO-MB Assisted 7-th place world.
IARU HF World Championship 2001 UT5UGR SO-CW 10-th place world.
CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2002 UT5UGR SO-SB (20m) Assisted 2 place world.
CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2002 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) Assisted 2 place world.
CQ WW WPX RTTY Contest 2003 EM0U M/M 3 place world.
CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2003 EN7Z M/S 7-th place world.
IARU HF World Championship 2003 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 7-th place world.
CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2004 UU7J M/2 4-th place world.
IARU HF World Championship 2004 UT5UGR SO-SSB 1 place world.
CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2004 UU7J M/S 1 place world.
CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2004 UU7J M/2 10-th place world.
CQ WW DX CW Contest 2004 UU7J M/2 9-th place world.
CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2005 EM7J SO-SB (20m) 6-th place world.
CQ WW WPX CW Contest UU7J M/S 5-th place world.
WAE CW Contest 2005 UU7J M/S 3 place EU.
WAE SSB Contest 2005 UU7J M/S 2 place EU.
CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2005 UU7J M/S 1 place world.
CQ WW DX CW Contest 2005 UU7J M/2 10-th place world.
WRTC 2006 PW5X 4-th place.
WAE SSB Contest 2006 UU7J M/S 3 place EU.
CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2006 UU7J M/M 2 place world.
CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2006 UU7J M/2 6-th place world.
Russian DX Contest 2007 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 7-th place world.
CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2007 UU7J M/2 5-th place world.
EU HF 2007 UT5UGR SO-Mixed 5-th place.
CQ WW DX RTTY Contest 2007 UU7J M/M 2 place world.
IARU HF World Championship 2008 HQ EM5HQ 2 place world.
EU HF 2008 UT5UGR SO-SSB 5-th place.
CQ WW DX CW Contest 2008 V31WA SO HP 6-th place world.
ARRL DX CW Contest 2009 FM5KC SO HP 1 place world.
IARU HF World Championship 2009 UT5UGR SO-SSB 1 place world.
CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2009 TO7A SO-AB HP 10-th place world.
CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2010 TO7A SO-AB HP 4-th place world.
CQ WW WPX CW Contest UT5UGR SO-SB (40m) HP Assisted 2 place world.
CQ WW DX SSB Contest 2010 TO7A SO-AB HP 11-th place world, 3 NA.
ARRL DX SSB Contest 2011 TO7A SO HP 2 place world.
IARU HF World Championship 2011 UT5UGR SO-CW 6-th place world.
CQ WW DX CW Contest 2011 TO7A SO-AB HP 7-th place world, 2 NA.
CQ WW WPX SSB Contest 2012 UT5UGR SO-SB (160m) HP 3 place world.
CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2012 UT5UGR SO-SB (160m) HP 1 place world.
IARU HF World Championship 2012 UT5UGR SO-CW 4-th place world.
CQ WW DX CW Contest 2012 TO7A SO-AB HP 6-th place world, 1 NA.
CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2012 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) HP 2 place world.
IARU HF World Championship 2013 UT5UGR SO-MIX 4-th place world.
CQ WW DX CW Contest 2013 TO7A SO-AB HP 2 place world, 1 NA.
CQ WW WPX CW Contest 2013 UT5UGR SO-SB (80m) HP 1 place world.
73
Frank
W3LPL
----- Original Message -----
From: "W0MU Mike Fatchett" <w0mu@w0mu.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 4:48:34 PM
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
I wonder exactly what you have to do to be given a lifetime ban? This
was no accident. It was a blatant attempt to defraud the entire
contest
and process.
Some things are forgivable but this was planned and premeditated.
This rotten apple should be tossed from the basket.
Mike W0MU
On 5/11/2015 11:11 PM, donovanf@starpower.net wrote:
Hi Felipe,
Now that we all know how the 2014 TO7A log was padded with fake
QSOs with stations who didn't send in their logs, the same pattern
can
probably now be found in the public log for TO7A's "2013 North
American Record" as well.
Its not hard to find more strings of fake QSOs padded into the 2014
TO7A public log, here's just one example:
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0919 RN3GJ
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0919 G3ILO
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0920 G3LUW
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0920 F6CEL
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0921 9A2JG
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0921 OK1AHG
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0922 UT5URW
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0922 SM5AOG
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0923 HB9DAX
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0923 IZ2DVI
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0924 G0OGN
QSO: 14079 CW 2014-11-30 0924 IZ5AXA
73
Frank
W3LPL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Felipe J. Hernández" <np4zet@gmail.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 1:41:17 AM
Subject: [CQ-Contest] Re. TO7A Debacle
BIll,
Dont feel too bad, he still has the North American record from last
year
where he beat these other fine operators
1TO7A2013SO HP ALL13,765,575 7,916 161 564 48.0UT5UGR[Cert]
<http://cqww.com/certs/do_certificate.php?cl=TO7A&yr=2013&mode=CW
2V47T2014SO
HP ALL13,548,784 7,772 161 527 48.0N2NT[Cert]
<http://cqww.com/certs/do_certificate.php?cl=V47T&yr=2014&mode=CW
3VE2IM2014SO
HP ALL12,326,784 7,089 162 521 42.4VE3DZ[Cert]
<http://cqww.com/certs/do_certificate.php?cl=VE2IM&yr=2014&mode=CW
48P5A2013SO
HP ALL12,265,446 7,294 154 515 48.0W2SC
Thats an amazing achievement...
73's
Felipe
Date: Mon, 11 May 2015 11:28:32 -0400
From: K4XS via CQ-Contest <cq-contest@contesting.com>
To: cq-contest@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] TO7A debacle
Message-ID: <19da7e.5059234a.428224a0@aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Oh what a tangled web we weave, when we seek to deceive.
Had he submitted a "clean" log he would have still swept first place
for
assisted. Now, his call is being dragged through the mud. He's a
great
op,
too bad.
K4XS
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