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Re: [Amps] Subject: Henry hum on transmitted signal

To: "'Steven Katz'" <stevek@jmr.com>, <gudguyham@aol.com>, "'Rob Atkinson'" <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>, <amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Subject: Henry hum on transmitted signal
From: "Dave Harmon" <k6xyzdave@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:19:08 -0500
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I bought a new 3K-A in 77' and picked it up at the factory in West LA....still 
have it.
The choke went to ground in 80' taking out the overload relay(s).
Fortunately, I was able to get a replacement overload relay direct from Ohmite.
This relay assy was discontinued but I was lucky and the guy at Ohmite swept 
the floor and assembled a new one for me no charge....still working today.
Some years back some guy in Hawaii was parting out another 3K-A so I got 
another relay assy from him as another spare.
Peter Dahl was still in business back then so I bought a replacement choke from 
him and it is still working today....likely forever too.
While I was at it....I got rid of the antenna changeover relay with the dime 
sized contacts and went to see the nice folks at RF Parts and picked up vacuum 
relays and Agastadt timer.
The amp still has the original transformer and every time I use it I hold my 
breath.....
Some guy at the Henry factory told me that the chokes and transformers were 
made in a guys garage out in Lakewood I think it was, and were known to be low 
quality....jeeeze

More recently I got a 3K Classic X MKll with it's own hum problem which is a 
fairly well known mfg problem with these units.
It was a bit sneaky but fairly easy to fix and it has been working great now 
for about 10 years.

Dave Harmon
K6XYZ
Sperry, OK.

-----Original Message-----
From: Amps <amps-bounces@contesting.com> On Behalf Of Steven Katz
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 5:54 PM
To: gudguyham@aol.com; Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>; amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Subject: Henry hum on transmitted signal

Yeah, I wouldn’t do that.   The Henry pedestal amps were well built and built 
to last, although the HV choke resonating cap is a failure point…usually after 
20-30 years, not a year.

I never had any problems with any of them, but never owned one for 30 years.

The 4K Ultra was IMO the best amateur amp ever made by anybody but didn’t cover 
160 meters, so that was its primary drawback.   I had one for about ten years, 
zero problems and it was hard to keep it down to “legal limit.”  😊

From: gudguyham@aol.com <gudguyham@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 4:53 PM
To: Steven Katz <stevek@jmr.com>; Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo@gmail.com>; 
amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] Subject: Henry hum on transmitted signal

Steve, I won’t mention any names, but somebody bought quite a few Henry amps 
and stripped out the ENTIRE power  supply guts, plate transformer , choke, HV 
cap, and the tuning caps  even the wire would step start gizmo.  Sold off all 
that stuff and put in a cap input supply using PD transformer like Ilona the 
big Ameritrons.

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On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 5:26 PM, Steven Katz 
<stevek@jmr.com<mailto:stevek@jmr.com>> wrote:
Lou, I've seen that, too.

I've also seen the resonating cap short out (choke is still fine) and B+ soar 
to 6kV and they just keep operating.

Something will eventually fail, but those big oil-filled caps can often handle 
6kV for quite a while, and so can the tubes in many cases.

-----Original Message-----
From: Amps <amps-bounces@contesting.com<mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com>> On 
Behalf Of gudguyham--- via Amps
Sent: Tuesday, September 5, 2023 4:24 PM
To: Rob Atkinson <ranchorobbo@gmail.com<mailto:ranchorobbo@gmail.com>>; 
amps@contesting.com<mailto:amps@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [Amps] Subject: Henry hum on transmitted signal

Rob, it seems as though is not “if” but “ when” the choke craps out in those 
Henry amps.  I’ve seen where many chokes shorted to the core and guys mounted 
the choke on insulated material instead of getting a new one. Lou


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On Tuesday, September 5, 2023, 7:14 AM, Rob Atkinson 
<ranchorobbo@gmail.com<mailto:ranchorobbo@gmail.com>> wrote:

I think the resonant choke design is clever by a half.  It's just too finicky 
and failure prone for my liking.  Also, I've seen a choke Henry used in one of 
their amps, I forget which one but it was supposedly rated for 700 ma.  I have  
a 700 ma filter choke out of a 1 KW broadcast rig intended to run continuously 
and it's at least twice as big and heavy as the dinky thing Henry used.  I've 
seen I don't know how many RF power amplifiers designed for volatile loads like 
SSB and CW and they did fine with nothing but around 40 mfd capacitance for a 
filter.  I would only use a choke input for power supplies serving transmission 
modes that put the supply under continuous load, such as AM and RTTY.  I would 
rebuild that power supply for whatever xmission mode is intended and ditch that 
resonant choke scheme.

73

Rob
K5UJ
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