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Re: [Amps] current in primary of microwave oven transformer

To: Alex <alexeban@gmail.com>, dave.g0dja@tiscali.co.uk, david.kirkby@onetel.net, d.cutter@ntlworld.com, amps@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [Amps] current in primary of microwave oven transformer
From: Angel Vilaseca <avilaseca@bluewin.ch>
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:53:39 +0200
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Good mews then! My MOTs are OK.

Bad news: although no real power is delivered to my house, the power 
company will bill me for it! :-)

Thanks for your help, guys!

Angel Vilaseca HB9SLV


Alex a écrit :
> ...guys this is normal behavior for all transformers!
> It is the result of the existence of a magnetizing inductance, usually
> depicted as a parallel inductance across the primary and every transformer
> has it. Don't worry about it: it's something physical and cannot be avoided!
> There are higher power transformers  in which this current can reach in the
> amperes range, but it's reactive current, except for a few watts loss in the
> ohmic component: that the reason it doesn't show up as heat. These
> transformers are usually good for about 750 watts continuous, 1000 watts
> ICAS.
> Alex  4Z5KS
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amps-bounces@contesting.com [mailto:amps-bounces@contesting.com] On
> Behalf Of Dr. David Kirkby
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 12:08 PM
> To: Angel Vilaseca; 'AMPS'
> Subject: Re: [Amps] current in primary of microwave oven transformer
>
> Angel Vilaseca wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have a microwave oven transformer that I plan to use for my next HV 
>> power supply.
>>
>> With the secondary unloaded and 220 V into the primary, I measured  670 
>> mA through it.
>>
>> This is a 220 V unit so that means 147 Watts, with no load on the 
>> secondary. Magnetic shunts were taken off.
>>
>> I have another two MOTs. Made the same measurement. They all behave the 
>> same.
>>
>> On the other hand, the transformers do not hum, not smoke, not even get 
>> hot, so I was wondering if this primary current could be "wattless" 
>> current, that is a current that is out of phase with voltage.
>>
>>
>> Should I worry about this amount of "idle current"?
>>
>> Is this behavior particular to microwave oven transformers?
>>
>> Is there a way to know what is happening here without using a double 
>> trace oscilloscope?
>>
>>
>> Vy 73
>>
>> Angel Vilaseca HB9SLV
>>
>>   
>>     
> The power dissipated is V*I*Cos(phi) where phi is the phase angle 
> between the voltage and current. (Assuming they are pure sine waves of 
> course, which is not necessary so.)
>
> There are ICs around which measure phase, but a scope is the easiest way.
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