Hi Goetz,
About 25(?) years ago, our FCC dropped the signing portable
requirement. At one time, prior to that, it was required to sign /x.
It was also required to notify the FCC of portable operations longer
than a week (imagine that today!).
At this time, a new ham is assigned a sequential callsign based on
his QTH at the time of initial application. For example, if Joe
Newham, of NH, passes his Tech license exam, he is assigned a call
such as KD1XYZ. If he moves to CA tomorrow, he is still KD1XYZ. If
KD1XYZ lives in NH and upgrades, he may request a vanity callsign.
He could become W6XY, still in NH.
You asked, "Why do your regulations require you to sign /portable
using the "non-existing call areas" for portable operation?"
There is no such regulation, unless the operation is outside the US.
So, you see, the number in the call no longer means anything.
Another post suggested that any multiplier info be included in the
exchange. Excellent idea! Even if the multiplier info is the "call
area," if the exchange included the state, the traditional 10 call
area can be identified from that info.
73,
Barry W2UP
On 19 Aug 2003 at 17:05, DJ3IW Goetz wrote:
> Hello,
>
> following this thread, the subject of signing call/x
> seems to be a real problem for (some?) stateside contesters.
> Barry, W2UP requested "International contest sponsors need
> to realize that there are no US geographic call areas any
> more."
> Does the FCC issue new callsigns with area coding? Why do your
> regulations require you to sign /portable using the "non-existing call
> areas" for portable operation?
>
> I am, together with DJ3NG, DL2YCA and DL4RCK an international
> contest sponsor. What do you want us to do? My interpretation
> of Barrys request and the other comments made, is to DROP area
> multipliers for the USA. Alaska and Hawaii would also have to
> be counted as USA, as there are several AH6, KH6, NH6, WH6 and
> KL0, AL7, KL7, NL7, WL7 operating from W4-, W7-, W9-areas etc.
> Just one country multiplier and (using the DL-DX RTTY and SARTG RTTY
> as an example) just 5 points for in-country contacts for all of you in
> the 50 United States? Is it this what you guys want? Otherwise the
> concept of country multipliers would have to be dropped altogether and
> replaced by something else, like ITU- or CQ-zones.
>
> 73 de Goetz
> dj3iw@t-online.de
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ken Brookner" <kenb@brookner.com>
> To: <rtty@contesting.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 2:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [RTTY] AA5AU SARTG Score
>
>
> > i have a 5-land call and live in 7-land. i don't sign portable
> > under any circumstances anymore. i used to, but caught flack from
> > dx about doing so in contests. because of the various master call
> > databases i had to become consistent, otherwise i would hear "/7??,"
> > or "7 or not??" all the time from both phone and digital contests
> > (and even dx during non-contest contacts) and this just slows
> > everyone down.
> >
> > my preference for continental US ops is to disallow all portable
> > signing during contests. for working by numbers, i'm a '5' and i
> > don't play games trying to double dip in pile-ups by also trying the
> > 'portable 7' ploy. where contests absolutely require portable
> > signing, i generally don't play anymore.
> >
> > i think that would make it simpler for everyone to *not* use
> > portable signage for US continental ops. my .02.
> >
> > kenb, ky5g
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: rtty-bounces@contesting.com
> > > [mailto:rtty-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of
> > > llindblom@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 7:11 AM To:
> > > k5ww@wcsonline.net Cc: rtty@contesting.com Subject: Re: [RTTY]
> > > AA5AU SARTG Score
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > As always it seems many North Americans only understand
> > > imperatives like "must" or "shall."
> > >
> > > My all time favorites are the stations who sometimes sign
> > > portable and sometimes don't. This is typically done in a
> > > pile up on rare DX working by call areas;-)
> > >
> > > 73 Larry L
> > > W0ETC
> > >
> > > --- "Gert E. Janssens" <k5ww@wcsonline.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > The rules for SARTG say:
> > >
> > > "NOTE: Stations operating from call areas other than their
> > > call ID, are asked to use '/x' for their actual call area,
> > > i.e. K5DJ/1."
> > >
> > > The word "asked" often gets "misinterpreted".
> > >
> > > 73,
> > >
> > > Gert - K5WW
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Barry
> > > To: rtty@contesting.com
> > > Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 8:10 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [RTTY] AA5AU SARTG Score
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 18 Aug 2003 Shelby Summerville wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Don Hill AA5AU" <aa5au@bellsouth.net> wrote: "What
> > > really pushed me to
> > > > compete hard in the last two periods was a US station
> > > with a 5 callsign not
> > > > signing / portable the area he was in."
> > > >
> > > > Until contest sponsors make rules requiring, not
> > > suggesting, signing
> > > > "portable", there will be no change! Contest entrants are
> > > notorious for
> > > > "pushing the envelope", and, IMHO, it behooves the
> > > sponsors to "stay one
> > > > step ahead", not "several behind"?
> > > >
> > > > C'Ya, Shelby
> > > >
> > >
> > > I thought it WAS required. I had some time available last
> > > weekend, and was considering operating SARTG, but decided not to
> > > when I saw that rule about signing portable. International
> > > contest
> > > sponsors need
> > > to realize that there are no US geographic call areas any
> > > more. All
> > > the number means is where one was first licensed, if still
> > > holding the original call. If one has have a vanity call even
> > > that isn't true. I haven't lived in "2 land" since 1979 and I'm
> > > not portable! Barry W2UP (in PA, not portable 3)-- Barry Kutner,
> > > W2UP Internet: w2up@mindspring.com Newtown, PA
> > > Frankford Radio Club
> > >
> >
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