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Re: [CQ-Contest] When do we spot? Should it be required?

To: Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@sbelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: [CQ-Contest] When do we spot? Should it be required?
From: "ve4xt@mymts.net" <ve4xt@mymts.net>
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 19:24:09 -0400
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Interesting question, Ed. 

I wonder: aren't the odds of being spotted directly related to the odds the 
other station thinks you're at least a little bit rare?

In SS, VT is worth a few dB on the odds-of-being-spotted spectrum, but how much 
in WW? I don't mean to say you're just another N1, but you're just another N1. 
If I were in Europe, I'd probably want to filter out a bunch of 
been-there-worked-that spots anyway, wouldn't you?

Where ever I am, I'd want, when running assisted, spots to show me stuff I 
need, not stuff I can work just by calling CQ. So, flipping that around, 
wouldn't I be more inclined to spot a Zone 1 or Zone 40 station than another 
Zone 3 or Zone 4?

Do you want your band map full of G3s, F2s, OHs, DLs and VEs, or less crowded 
but with meaty stuff such as TFs, VU2s or HLs?

The answer to that question is probably the key. 

73, kelly, ve4xt,




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> On Oct 26, 2015, at 14:22, Edward Sawyer <EdwardS@sbelectronics.com> wrote:
> 
> Taking a look at my spots this morning.  It is very surprisng
> when you are spotted and when you are not spotted according
> to DX Summit.  Are there other locations where spots exist on
> SSB that is not shown here?  I had a number of runs during the
> contest and was never spotted according to DX Summit.  A nice
> JA run on 15M and very loud and fast 20M run to EU on Sunday
> afternoon, neither of these ever appear despite producing
> probably 400+ Qs in the log over a few hours.
> 
> With CW, the RBN system is an effiient harvester of signals
> that basically instantly populates the band map with spots.
> There is no such system on SSB.
> 
> The major contests call asking to be spotted a violation. Every contest,
> I either hear or am asked a few times regardless.  I am very fine
> with this being considered unsportsmanlike.  However, with the
> increasing number of contesters having a contest experience that
> is nothing more than clicking on spots, its becoming
> equally unfair for stations to be spotted in very disproportionate
> frequencies.
> 
> I put this question to the contest sponsors and the assisted and
> multi-op contest community: What is your responsibilty to make
> spots of stations?  Are you just a harvester?  Or do you contribute
> to the process?  It would seem to be in everyone's interest that
> doesn't "spin the dial" much, or at all, anymore to make sure that the
> interaction is bi-lateral.
> 
> Should a minimum spotting requirement be added?  We have a minimum
> ID requirement in CQ major contests?  How about a minimum
> spotting submission requirement for those using the system?
> 
> I personally like the unassisted experience.  But being a "ghost"
> in the bandmap world doesn't help anyone in contesting anymore.
> 
> 73
> 
> Ed N1UR
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