I wanted to respond to this but was involved with CQWW over the weekend.
We have used WL at GU8D in the IOTA Contest for the past 2 years and are
very much aware of the problem. The adjudicator is also aware but as far as
I know would not penalise anyone for duplicate serial numbers. In fact the
rules say "serial number starting from 001," but doesn't mention
incrementing or duplicate. I guess though it is a matter of wanting to see a
correct display on the screen and subsequently in the log. Prior to this for
7 years we used NA logging program which is similar to CT and didn't see any
problem.
In our case we network 4 computers, that is 2 on each radio. A = Run Main
op, B = Run Sub Rx, C = Mult Main Op, D = Mult Sub Rx.
If D types a call in, a serial number is allocated, but the same number is
available to all the other machines. Usually what happens is A will log that
number and continue on its way, then sometime after D will log the QSO and
not only duplicate the number, but it will appear maybe 5 minutes or more
further down the log and, at an average of say 120 Qs per hour, that could
be 10 Qs away.
There is another aspect whilst on this discussion. Computers B and D are
unable to have serial control of the Sub Rx. I understand N1MM logger can do
this. Again we reckon this ought to be achievable within WL. This would also
help those of us who practice SO1.5R. ie, using the sub rx for S&P, rather
than going for full SO2R.
It just seems to us that a logging program as sophisticated and clever as WL
should be able to surmount these problems, but I guess as always on this
Reflector it is a case of making a big noise gets results. Sometimes it pays
not to be a Brit nor to be polite! Of course if it was a Diddly mode problem
.......
Chris G3SJJ (G8D in CQWW)
-----Original Message-----
From: writelog-bounces@contesting.com
[mailto:writelog-bounces@contesting.com]On Behalf Of Bob Naumann
Sent: 29 November 2004 21:48
To: writelog@contesting.com
Subject: Re: Re: [WriteLog] Re: Serial Numbers in Multi Operations
Bruce, Al and everyone else:
Bruce is right. SS Multi-single used to be 10 minute rule.
Here's the current rule:
3.2.1. Multi-Single only
3.2.1.1. Only 1 transmitted signal is permitted at any time.
3.2.1.2. No limitation on the number of band changes.
I already sent N1ND a note about my concern with it and he indicated that
it's been this way for a while now. I would have voted "NO" if given the
option prior to that change being made.
I think that if it said:
3.2.1. Multi-Single only
3.2.1.0. Only 1 person operating at any time.
3.2.1.1. Only 1 transmitted signal is permitted at any time.
3.2.1.2. No limitation on the number of band changes.
This would allow the one operator to effectively operate a state of the art
SO2R station without creating a situation that could be abused.
Now, what about WL supporting it?
73,
Bob N5NJ
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From: bruce <bruce@ak8b.us>
Date: 2004/11/29 Mon PM 03:31:48 CST
To: writelog@contesting.com
Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Re: Serial Numbers in Multi Operations
I had to check this myself but what he is doing is OK by the rules. For
SS there is no band change restriction. There is also no reason why both
transcievers couldn't be on the same band as long as they don't transmit
at the same time. This does seem like a very agressive setup and
probably isn't what anybody had in mind when they made up the category
"Multi-Single" but it seems OK.
Now, why can't Writelog handle this? It's networked and certainly knows
that there was another Q with the number it's using. It certainly should
be possible to handle this although it might not be easy.
BTW, I have no intention of every operating this way.
Bob Naumann wrote:
> Hi Chad,
>
> Regardless, multi-single contest rules do not allow for that to happen -
except for CQWW which does not use serial #'s.
>
> In a multi-single you should not be operating on two bands at once under
any circumstances.
>
> Multi-single rules are the most restrictive (10 minute rule or # of band
changes) in order to prevent this sort of practice, where you're really
multi-2 or multi-multi.
>
> 73,
> N5NJ
>
>
> ============================================================
> From: Kurszewski Chad-WCK005 <chad@motorola.com>
> Date: 2004/11/29 Mon PM 02:49:10 CST
> To: n5nj@gte.net, writelog@contesting.com
> Subject: RE: [WriteLog] Re: Serial Numbers in Multi Operations
>
> He said he "started to enter a Q". He didn't say anything about
> working (trasmitting) two stations at once. WL assigns a number
> as soon as you start typing in a call. You will also see
> this behavior as SO2R in WL and you enter a call in each call
> entry area, you will get numbers assigned, and if you wipe the
> first one, that number is skipped and never reassigned.
>
> I've given up on totally sequential numbers, and as others
> have said, it doesn't matter as long as you log what was sent.
> I proved this to myself last year during SS CW where I submitted
> a M/S log with funky numbers and ARRL had zero problems with
> that.
>
> Chad WE9V
>
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: writelog-bounces@contesting.com
>>[mailto:writelog-bounces@contesting.com] On Behalf Of Bob Naumann
>>Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 2:38 PM
>>To: writelog@contesting.com
>>Subject: Re: [WriteLog] Re: Serial Numbers in Multi Operations
>>
>>
>>Al,
>>
>>You are not supposed to work two stations at once as a multi-single.
>>
>>This is a rule violation.
>>
>>There is no reason for WL to allow you to do this.
>>
>>73,
>>Bob N5NJ
>>
>>============================================================
>>From: Aldewey@aol.com
>>Date: 2004/11/29 Mon PM 12:07:13 CST
>>To: writelog@contesting.com
>>Subject: [WriteLog] Re: Serial Numbers in Multi Operations
>>
>>In a message dated 11/25/2004 10:31:04 PM Central Standard
>>Time, Aldewey
>>writes:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I know this has probably been discussed before but I just
>>
>>wanted to see if
>>
>>>there is a simple answer.
>>>
>>>In our Multi-Single SS Operation, we were running two
>>
>>networked stations.
>>
>>>If we started to enter a Q in the entry window on Station
>>
>>#1, a Serial Number
>>
>>>was automatically assigned. If the op on Station #2 starts
>>
>>to enter a Q at
>>
>>>the same time, the same serial number is assigned. Once
>>
>>these numbers are
>>
>>>assigned, there doesn't seem to be a way to change it. If
>>
>>the Qs are both
>>
>>>completed, they both go in the log with the same QSO
>>
>>Number. Does anyone know a
>>
>>>simple way around this dielemma?
>>>
>>>TR seems to handle this a little better. In the scenario
>>
>>described above,
>>
>>>the same Serial Number is initially assigned (just like
>>
>>WL). However, once
>>
>>>someone enters the first Q, the serial number of the second
>>
>>radio is
>>
>>>incremented automatically. It does take some coordination
>>
>>between the two ops to make
>>
>>>sure who has which number, but TR does make sure that
>>
>>duplicate serial
>>
>>>numbers do not go into the log.
>>>
>>>Any suggestions on how to accomplish this with WL?
>>>
>>>73,
>>>
>>>Al, K0AD
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Before reverting back to TR for Multi-Op contests with Serial
>>Numbers (i.e
>>SS, WPX, etc), I just wondered if anyone could point me to a
>>solution to this
>>problem when using Writelog. I didn't get any response to
>>my original post.
>>
>>73,
>>
>>Al, K0AD
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