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Re: [VHFcontesting] We're about to lose 3456 MHz band entirely.

To: "winger55552001@yahoo.com" <winger55552001@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] We're about to lose 3456 MHz band entirely.
From: Mark Spencer <mark@alignedsolutions.com>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:41:42 -0800
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This sounds similar to the situation with the proposed use of certain spectrum 
by a company called LightSquared.

Mark Spencer

mark@alignedsolutions.com
604 762 4099

> On Nov 26, 2019, at 1:22 AM, Randy Wing <winger55552001@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> Related:
> 
> This is from AF Today magazine:
> 
> To Protect GPS Satellites, Esper Is Against Private 5G Proposal
> Defense Secretary Mark Esper wants the Federal Communications Commission to 
> reject a proposal by Ligado Networks to use L-Band spectrum for 5G, claiming 
> that the system could jeopardize GPS services. C4ISRNET
> 
> To protect GPS satellites, Esper is against private 5G proposal
> To protect GPS satellites, Esper is against private 5G proposal
> A plan to use L-Band spectrum for 5G could disrupt GPS satellites, the 
> Secretary of Defense said.
> 
> 
> Ligado Networks has 40 MHz of spectrum licenses in the nationwide block of 
> 1500 MHz to 1700 MHz spectrum in the L-Band. With it, the company is 
> developing a satellite-terrestrial network to support the emerging 5G market 
> and Internet of Things applications.
> 
> 
> Randy, N0LD
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 7:51 PM, Mark Spencer
> <mark@alignedsolutions.com> wrote:
> Hi Dana.
> 
> The pessimistic side of me thinks by lobbying for new exclusive microwave 
> bands and assuming we actually get them, in the long run the amateur 
> community may be helping future commercial interests who will eventually want 
> to take the spectrum over.  The recent moves by some  (that so far seem to 
> have been unsuccessful) to encroach on the 144 MHz band and the historical 
> loss of the bottom 2 MHz of the 220 thru 225 MHz band don't fill me with a 
> lot of confidence about the ability of the amateur community to maintain 
> exclusive allocations in prime RF real estate especially if the amateur use 
> of the frequencies in question is minimal.  Hopefully I am being overly 
> pessimistic.
> 
> On the other hand the 70 cm band seems to have a number of other users (such 
> as differential GPS base stations) and I suspect clearing them all out would 
> be a challenge, plus the  radar users are probably going to be reluctant to 
> leave as well.  As others have mentioned I also suspect clearing out the ISM 
> bands would be hard.
> 
> I suspect the 23 cm band and the issues vis a vis the Galileo navigation 
> system (probably along with other issues) may present another challenge for 
> ongoing amateur access to at least some of the band for at least some 
> amateurs.  This might be an area where a regional approach might work better 
> than a global one.  The U.S. approach to Galileo usage within the U.S. also 
> seems promising vis a vis amateur access to 23 cm at least in the U.S. 
> 
> Anyways thanks to all who are working behind the scenes to help keep our 
> access to the spectrum.  I do appreciate it.
> 
> 73
> Mark S
> VE7AFZ
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Spencer
> 
> Aligned Solutions Co.
> mark@alignedsolutions.com
> 604 762 4099
> 
> > On Nov 25, 2019, at 5:01 PM, Dana Shtun <ve3dss@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Best thing we could do is go for narrow primary bands within or adjacent to 
> > the bands being examined… that said… we do need microwave bands for space 
> > communications, as well as terrestrial
> > narrow band point to point (aka DX) comms….
> > 
> > We have been sharing since the end of WW II…so this is nothing new, but 
> > sharing with govt radar vs cell tech isn’t quite the same  …. hopefully we 
> > can work out a deal….lets make a deal eh.
> > 
> > Look on the bright side, all kinds of technology will be there for us to 
> > utilize as well...
> > 
> > Dana VE3DS
> > Editor Six Metres and Down in TCA
> > Custodian VE3ONT
> > 
> > On Nov 25, 2019, at 15:54, Mark Spencer <mark@alignedsolutions.com> wrote:
> > 
> > Yes that is a good point re 900 MHz.  Maybe lobbying for additional similar 
> > ISM / un licensed or lightly licensed bands that amateurs could have shared 
> > allocations in (or perhaps looking for existing allocations that might be 
> > shareable) might make sense as a go forwards plan ?  
> > 
> > That being said if the authorities can be convinced that amateurs deserve 
> > additional exclusive microwave allocations that would be ideal.  I am 
> > doubtful that will ever happen, but maybe the amateur Emergency 
> > communications role might provide a way forwards ?  
> > 
> > Some of the broad band data communications done by amateurs in support of 
> > the EMCOM role that I am aware of is done with wifi type gear operated 
> > under amateur rules and that type of useage seems to indicate that shared 
> > spectrum is useful to amateurs ?  Some time ago I looked at ways to use 
> > wifi gear and PC and smart phone apps to make contest style microwave 
> > contacts in the ISM shared bands but there was little interest from others 
> > in my area in pursuing this.  
> > 
> > 
> > 73
> > 
> > Mark S
> > VE7AFZ
> > 
> > mark@alignedsolutions.com
> > 604 762 4099
> > 
> >> On Nov 25, 2019, at 11:48 AM, John Geiger <af5cc2@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I don't think 900mhz will be of much interest to cellular companies as 
> >> there is too many other users in that band right now, as it is a ISM band. 
> >>  Too much RF pollution as it currently is, and too many users to move.  At 
> >> least I am hoping that is true.
> >> 
> >> Getting congress to stop the 3.4GHZ relocation will be tough when each 
> >> senator or representative has less than 100 constituents who use 3.4GHZ 
> >> (many with 0 constituents) a
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