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Re: [VHFcontesting] We're about to lose 3456 MHz band entirely

To: "Jay RM" <w9rm@calmesapartners.com>, "vhfcontesting@contesting.com" <VHFcontesting@contesting.com>
Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] We're about to lose 3456 MHz band entirely
From: "Steve\(K1IIG\)" <stephen.tripp@snet.net>
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 09:17:58 -0500
List-post: <mailto:vhfcontesting@contesting.com>
Hello Keith (Jay RM),

Thanks for the all the information which I found interesting woth some a bit confusing. I tried to get through Docket 97.303 but it was difficult with all the Superscripts leading to Footnotes on every other word. I have read all the 3456 comments and I now have a much better understanding of how we are under attack on our assigned or shared Spectrum Allocations.

In short the "MOBILE ACT NOW" is intended to increase development of next-generation 5G wireless broadband by ensuring more spectrum is made available for commercial use and by reducing regulatory obstacles...
We are most likely the number one target with all our spectrum.

I have read all the great responses on this subject and do not remember anyone bashing the ARRL. I simply think some of us would appreciate being better informed on this important matter. Having been a league member for almost 60 years, I appreciate all they have done for us. I sure hope they will continue to fight the battles while keeping
us in the loop.

As I type this N0JK informed us Amazon is going after 900mhz. Another deep pocket attacker.

To Peter VA3ELE, you are correct. I should finish my #5 beacon and put 3456 on the air and
keep some of the band occupied.

73's
Steve
K1IIG





Anybody who has been paying attention to the impending switch from 4G to 5G
cellular technology has known, or at least strongly suspected, this was
going to happen.  The move to open the 3 GHz band for cellular
communications has been ongoing for some time.  As a matter of fact, the
spectrum from 3.4 to 3.6 GHz has been designated as "globally harmonized".
In other words, a world-wide operating band. This spectrum was reallocated
in the UK a couple years ago and most ITU Region 1 countries have reserved
it for commercial use for many years.  The USA is VERY late to the 3 GHZ
party.  This "harmonization" was discussed and acted upon during WRC2015.
Read all about it here:
https://www.gsma.com/spectrum/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/3-GHz-in-the-5G-era.pdf

The "MOBILE NOW Act", passed in 2017 does not specify ANY frequency bands.
It mandates the "making available" ("ripping away from current occupants"
in non-Govspeak) of 255 MHz of new spectrum below 6 GHz.  One can read a
summary of the bill here:
https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/senate-bill/19

The old satellite C-Band (remember the big old TVRO dishes of the 1970's)
is currently being ripped to shreds by this same MOBILE NOW act.  A huge
number of commercial users still depend on this band

Like Wayne, I don't recall anything from the ARRL about this, but it may
have been released back in 2015 after WRC.  But, anybody in Amateur Radio
who thinks they can make any kind of impact or change to this FCC docket
(remember, the 3456 band was virtually re-allocated at WRC 15 as GLOBALLY
IMPORTANT) is deluded.  3.4 is a shared band in ITU Region 2 and I don't
believe Amateurs are even primary users.  This isn't bad old UPS package
delivery trying to sneak in and steal 220 MHz - this is communications
GLOBALIZATION at work, sanctioned by the ITU years ago. Maybe, just maybe,
an organization could lobby for some sort of compensation for loss of
equipment.  This is common in commercial reallocations.  But, since we're
not a commercial entity. . .

Why did this happen ? Who forced this change ?  If you cherish and depend
on a cellular smartphone every waking minute of your life. . . well, YOU
did.  Bashing the ARRL or anybody else isn't going to change anything.

-W9RM


Keith J Morehouse
Managing Partner
Calmesa Partners G.P.
Olathe, CO


On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 6:50 AM Steve(K1IIG) <stephen.tripp@snet.net> wrote:

Hello Wayne and others,

Wayne I do not think the sky is falling but it sure is getting dark over
our
amateur community. There is a long history of our ham bands being attacked
and given to others. I think it started with 11m (27mhz) to the truckers
etc, 220mhz to UPS which I don't think they are using ,then Pave Paws
radar
shut down 440mhz repeaters on the East and West coast within 50mi of their
radar systems, then 900mhz shared with consumer wireless products, then
attempt to get the 40ghz band, then an attempt to get a portion of 2m in
the
UK and now 3ghz. Did I miss any?
It is all about $$ and the Cell companies with deep pockets are moving up
the bands. I was in cellular since 1984 when we only had a portion of the
800mhz band and now look what they have. I think in the US, without
looking
it up, they have segments in 600, 700,800,1900,2100, 2350 and moving up
the
bands. Air waves are not free and the FCC is more then willing to auction
off these bands for big bucks.  The other situation is the RFI generated
by
the carriers. They are putting 4 bands under one radome fed by fiber
and one can only imagine the mixing products produced. Each one of these
antennas can weigh as much as 180lbs. Last week I  spoke with an AT&T
engineer who said he is personally managing 3000 sites doing 5g upgrades.
WOW. My point is this, they are
aggressively trying to get more bandwidth and we should protect what we
have
and not give into them without a fight.

So what to do? I think the ARRL should have posted this info on this
reflector and others informing us on what we can do. I also think they
(ARRL) should notify each VHF/UHF contest club to disseminate this
information.

I guess I will hold off finishing my 3456 beacon.

73's
Steve
K1IIG
 FN-31nl

> A proposal that is on the agenda for the FCC's Dec. 12 meeting would
> remove amateur radio from the 9 cm. band entirely.  As mandated by
> Congress in the MOBILE NOW Act, the FCC is proposing to entirely
eliminate
> our allocation in the 3.3-3.55 GHz band as part of a plan to make much
> more spectrum available for 5G mobile phone systems.
>
> The Notice of Proposed Rule Making is WT Docket 19-348.
>
> If enacted as proposed, this would be catastrophic for the weak signal
> community that is now on 3456 MHz. I alone have nearly $10,000 worth > of
> equipment for 3456 MHz--with receipts to prove it.  That includes
> transverters, amplifiers and antennas. Each transverter cost me > between
> $500 and $800 (U.S.) and I have seventeen (17) 3456 transverters
> manufactured by either DB6NT or DEMI.
>
> Where was ARRL when the "MOBILE NOW" Act was approved?   Why haven't we
> heard a lot more about this before now?  I've searched ARRL.org and
can't
> find any reference to "MOBILE NOW" there.  I just bought another 3456
> transverter after the MOBILE NOW Act was signed into law (after being
> amended into another bill).  I wish I'd known that we're about to lose
> this band before spending still more money on equipment for 3456.
>
> I know about this now only because of Brennan Price's message on the > "My
> ARRL Voice" section of Facebook.  In a comment on Brennan's posting,
ARRL
> Director Ria Jairam confirmed that this docket does indeed propose to
> remove our 9 cm. allocation entirely.
>
> It sounds as if the sky is falling.  Can someone tell me that the sky
> ISN'T falling?
>
> -Wayne Overbeck, N6NB
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