Unfortunately, this hypothesized rule has the potential to hurt "non-grid
circling" rovers and prohibit completely valid "non-grid circling QSOs." Let's
say I live in an area with high rover activity, low fixed station activity
(like I do) or both. With the first proposed rule, I could quickly be
prohibited from making any unique rover to rover QSOs after the first few ones
I make. In the second proposed rule, one good 6 meter opening at the start of
the contest could once again prohibit me from working other rovers, unless I go
into the unlimited class, which might be unfair to me.
Do we really want to sacrifice the many just for the couple?
73s John AA5JG
--- On Thu, 9/17/09, frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RE: Rover rules and criticisms
> To: aa5jg@yahoo.com, compmtn@instawave.net, vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Date: Thursday, September 17, 2009, 5:12 PM
>
>
>
>
>
> John asked about the rule idea,
>
>
>
>
>
> Rule
> idea:
>
>
>
> A simple
> fix as recommended in 2004 and aired out here quite a
> few times well before the last 2 sets of at
> least partially ineffective changes would read something
> like this:
>
>
>
>
> Rule
> 3.3.8
>
>
>
>
> For
> traditional and limited rovers no more than X percentage of
> the total contacts can be rover to rover contacts. (My opinion would set x
> at 10-20
> percent.) Unlimited Rovers are not bound by this percentage
> rule.
>
>
>
>
> Or a
> compromise for really remote people:
>
>
>
>
> Rule
> 3.3.8
>
>
>
> With
> exception of the up to the first 100 QSO’s traditional and
> limited rovers no more than X percentage of the total
> contacts can be rover to rover contacts. (My opinion would set x at 10-20
> percent). Unlimited Rovers are not bound by this percentage
> rule.
>
>
>
> with this
> some of the other rules may not be needed.
>
>
>
>
> I believe
> the VUAC said no more than 50 or 30 percent rover to rover
> QSOs but that got shot down at the PSC. This would of curbed
> it quite a bit.
>
>
>
>
> The
> problem is that the PSC may be more influenced by people who
> are outside the bounds of the VUAC. A VUAC that was suppose
> to represent this community.
>
>
>
>
> I really
> wasn’t complaining. Someone asked why activity for rovers
> seemed to drop in some places. I’m stating why I will send
> in a blank log and why I did not turn my radio on at
> all. I want to play when there are truly 3
> separate categories with team convoy roving contained in the
> unlimited category, the category the ARRL clearly said in
> QST that they created for this type of roving.
>
>
>
>
> The
> 100’s independent contacts some of us put out in various
> ARRL contests may be gone due to some of the recent changes
> and lack of correcting the core issues.
> Others came and roved before me and gave it up
> because of these issues. At
> least I am saying why I am not participating rather than
> quietly going away. The only change you get about by quietly
> going away in something you care about is a new
> hobby.
>
>
>
>
>
> Now
> everyone will start shouting and once again a meaningful
> suggestion will be lost in the cannon fodder. And no I was
> not the originator of this suggestion, you can find it in
> tjh old posts several times. I think its the best
> sugestion.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2009 12:33:20 -0700
> > From: aa5jg@yahoo.com
> > Subject: Rover rules and criticisms
> > To: compmtn@instawave.net;
> vhfcontesting@contesting.com; k3uhf@hotmail.com
> >
> > Since I have heard nothing but criticism about the
> current rover rules on this reflector over the past 2 years
> or so, I am interested as to how the rover rules should
> read? Would any of the critics care to elaborate on exactly
> how the rover rules should be written?
> >
> > 73s John AA5JG
> >
> > --- On Wed, 9/16/09, frank bechdoldt
> <k3uhf@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > From: frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] [PNWVHFS] Re:
> Reasonable Tropo
> > > To: compmtn@instawave.net,
> vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> > > Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 PM
> > >
> > > While the rover rules affect me dirrectly,
> I'm curious what
> > > the log counts will do with the EME
> changes. I'm
> > > sending in a blank log in protest of the rover
> > > situation. If I dont speak up for 2 years
> they will
> > > think its fine.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Which brings me to the point that someone should
> replace
> > > jim on the VUAC if if has not happened yet.
> oterwise we have
> > > no one to write to on the VUAC.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Also in my complaint, the VUAC tried anf the ARRL
> PSC
> > > ignored thier recomendations.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If you are not competitive in nature, roving is
> fun.
> > > I hope someone post a 70k score in the northwest
> without
> > > using a team effort to motivate me to go back at
> it again.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 73s
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > > > From: compmtn@instawave.net
> > > > To: eaglepoint.or@juno.com;
> > > k3uhf@hotmail.com
> > > > CC: ve7dxg@rac.ca; pnwvhfs@googlegroups.com
> > > > Subject: [PNWVHFS] Re: Reasonable Tropo
> > > > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:42:38 -0700
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Good afternoon all, Len WA6KLK CM89
> > > >
> > > > In the recent contest I worked about 2 hours
> 45
> > > minutes on saturday only.
> > > > 84 Qs from six bands. I spent allot of the
> time
> > > checking 927.5 fm and was
> > > > rewarded with a couple near 150 mile full
> quieting
> > > contacts. This was from
> > > > a 3600 foot hill overlooking the Sacramento
> Valley.
> > > >
> > > > The BIG surprize was working Mike WB6FFC in
> CN82 on
> > > Table Mountain. This
> > > > was a 214 mile airline path. First contact
> was on six
> > > meters with quarter
> > > > wave whip to quarter wave whip with both of
> us at 100
> > > watts. Next was a two
> > > > meter contact. Here I was running about 150
> watts to a
> > > pair of horizontal
> > > > loops while Mike was running a half wave
> vertical and
> > > 50 watts. Then 432
> > > > where I had about 11 elements horizontal and
> 70 watts
> > > and Mike had 20 watts
> > > > and a vertical, think a couple of halfwaves
> in phase.
> > > ?????
> > > >
> > > > Signals on my end where not strong but very
> copiable
> > > for ssb. Thus good
> > > > propagation.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it takes a bit of time and effort. I
> was into
> > > more of checking a
> > > > couple of antennas than working allot of
> folks. Two
> > > hours drive one way is
> > > > a bit but doable. Dont think I heard one
> rover at all
> > > during the time I was
> > > > on but am sure a least a couple made it.
> Small as is
> > > rigs with small
> > > > antennas--4 or 5 element beams--work well
> with a
> > > little forethoought into
> > > > where you are going, and ALLOT of listening
> and paying
> > > attention to what is
> > > > going on on the bands. Having a cw key is a
> must
> > > also.
> > > >
> > > > Many folks can do small local hilltops and
> not have to
> > > go to big hills.
> > > > Letting folks know where you are going to be
> and when
> > > is a big plus. I did
> > > > not, but the location is great. Catching
> Mike was good
> > > luck and was
> > > > appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Keep it up and get a few more out and on if
> you can.
> > > Encourage the new
> > > > folks, even if you take them along and do a
> few hours.
> > > They will get
> > > > ""bit"" by the bug and
> then you and they will have
> > > more fun.
> > > >
> > > > On another subject, I am the VUAC rep down
> here in the
> > > Pacific Division. Am
> > > > hoping to make Seaside but it is real iffy
> at the
> > > moment. If I do, it will
> > > > be a last minute thing for me. Lots of work
> discussing
> > > the various things
> > > > before any recommendations are amde. It must
> be noted
> > > that most comments do
> > > > NOT come until after the recommendations are
> made.
> > > While some folks do not
> > > > like what is in the rules others do. Can not
> satisfy
> > > every one. As far as
> > > > ""assistance"" goes, you
> can make schedules to your
> > > hearts content before
> > > > the contest. That gives you frequency and
> time. Make a
> > > whole bunch !! It
> > > > is just that during the contest it is NOT
> > > allowed--with certain
> > > > exceptions--because of a few things that
> have happened
> > > in the past. Yes,
> > > > there is possibly some telephone or private
> e-mail
> > > "contacts" made but the
> > > > only one being hurt is the person doing it.
> What
> > > happened to being the
> > > > operator in the contact ?? Why do folks have
> to rely
> > > on realtime schedules
> > > > and exchange of information by other than
> radio ?? Do
> > > ALL your scheduling
> > > > before and then do some listening also.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I know that technology has changed.
> However, in
> > > the contests we are
> > > > talking about there are certain rules. Other
> contests
> > > thru out the year you
> > > > can do what you want. A lot of effort and
> discussion
> > > has gone into things.
> > > > Give it chance to settle down for a couple
> of years to
> > > see how it goes
> > > > rather than want an immediate change because
> someone
> > > does not like it.
> > > > This is kinda like the Forest Practice Rules
> I worked
> > > with as a Forester in
> > > > California. Some folks would scream for rule
> changes
> > > when they did not like
> > > > them and they had only been in effect 10
> days. Some of
> > > the rules took a few
> > > > years to see what would happen. They were
> watched
> > > closely tho.
> > > >
> > > > This is a HOBBY so relax a bit folks. In the
> long run
> > > all will work out
> > > > well. Maybe some day I will have the setup
> to have the
> > > computer just
> > > > monitor all the frequencies and make the
> contacts,etc,
> > > while I am out at the
> > > > lake fishing !!!
> > > >
> > > > 73 Len PSSSS Mikes notes below are really
> TRUE !!!!
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <eaglepoint.or@juno.com>
> > > > To: <k3uhf@hotmail.com>
> > > > Cc: <ve7dxg@rac.ca>;
> > > <pnwvhfs@googlegroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:05
> AM
> > > > Subject: [PNWVHFS] Re: Reasonable Tropo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > As those of you who do make the effort
> to go
> > > mountain topping or
> > > > > roving know it takes a lot of
> preparation and
> > > expense for these
> > > > > expeditions and also it is difficult to
> find
> > > other VHF interested
> > > > > hams to help with the efforts unlike
> field day
> > > where every one
> > > > > seems to show up. The cost per QSO gets
> pretty
> > > high. And now with
> > > > > the Forest service and other agencies
> slowly
> > > closing off many
> > > > > of the past popular mountain sites also
> makes it
> > > more difficult.
> > > > >
> > > > > I think if we could some how encourage
> more folks
> > > with home stations
> > > > > to equip them selves to at least the
> level of
> > > equipment dragged
> > > > > to mountain tops, it would encourage
> more guys to
> > > make the effort.
> > > > >
> > > > > Invest in a preamp and an antenna a
> little better
> > > than a 20 year
> > > > > old Cushcraft FM yagi, dump the RG-58
> feed line,
> > > get a set of head
> > > > > phones, turn you antenna once in a
> while away
> > > from Portland and San
> > > > > Francisco direction.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have worked into Canada almost every
> year from
> > > Mt Ashland (CN-82)
> > > > > on 6, 2 & 70 cm with various
> stations during
> > > the June contest.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please get some good aluminum up (and
> maybe get
> > > on CW), the path is there!
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike
> > > > > WB6FFC
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
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