Since I have heard nothing but criticism about the current rover rules on this
reflector over the past 2 years or so, I am interested as to how the rover
rules should read? Would any of the critics care to elaborate on exactly how
the rover rules should be written?
73s John AA5JG
--- On Wed, 9/16/09, frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com> wrote:
> From: frank bechdoldt <k3uhf@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [VHFcontesting] [PNWVHFS] Re: Reasonable Tropo
> To: compmtn@instawave.net, vhfcontesting@contesting.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 9:03 PM
>
> While the rover rules affect me dirrectly, I'm curious what
> the log counts will do with the EME changes. I'm
> sending in a blank log in protest of the rover
> situation. If I dont speak up for 2 years they will
> think its fine.
>
>
>
> Which brings me to the point that someone should replace
> jim on the VUAC if if has not happened yet. oterwise we have
> no one to write to on the VUAC.
>
>
>
> Also in my complaint, the VUAC tried anf the ARRL PSC
> ignored thier recomendations.
>
>
>
> If you are not competitive in nature, roving is fun.
> I hope someone post a 70k score in the northwest without
> using a team effort to motivate me to go back at it again.
>
>
>
> 73s
>
> Frank
>
> > From: compmtn@instawave.net
> > To: eaglepoint.or@juno.com;
> k3uhf@hotmail.com
> > CC: ve7dxg@rac.ca; pnwvhfs@googlegroups.com
> > Subject: [PNWVHFS] Re: Reasonable Tropo
> > Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:42:38 -0700
> >
> >
> > Good afternoon all, Len WA6KLK CM89
> >
> > In the recent contest I worked about 2 hours 45
> minutes on saturday only.
> > 84 Qs from six bands. I spent allot of the time
> checking 927.5 fm and was
> > rewarded with a couple near 150 mile full quieting
> contacts. This was from
> > a 3600 foot hill overlooking the Sacramento Valley.
> >
> > The BIG surprize was working Mike WB6FFC in CN82 on
> Table Mountain. This
> > was a 214 mile airline path. First contact was on six
> meters with quarter
> > wave whip to quarter wave whip with both of us at 100
> watts. Next was a two
> > meter contact. Here I was running about 150 watts to a
> pair of horizontal
> > loops while Mike was running a half wave vertical and
> 50 watts. Then 432
> > where I had about 11 elements horizontal and 70 watts
> and Mike had 20 watts
> > and a vertical, think a couple of halfwaves in phase.
> ?????
> >
> > Signals on my end where not strong but very copiable
> for ssb. Thus good
> > propagation.
> >
> > Yes, it takes a bit of time and effort. I was into
> more of checking a
> > couple of antennas than working allot of folks. Two
> hours drive one way is
> > a bit but doable. Dont think I heard one rover at all
> during the time I was
> > on but am sure a least a couple made it. Small as is
> rigs with small
> > antennas--4 or 5 element beams--work well with a
> little forethoought into
> > where you are going, and ALLOT of listening and paying
> attention to what is
> > going on on the bands. Having a cw key is a must
> also.
> >
> > Many folks can do small local hilltops and not have to
> go to big hills.
> > Letting folks know where you are going to be and when
> is a big plus. I did
> > not, but the location is great. Catching Mike was good
> luck and was
> > appreciated.
> >
> > Keep it up and get a few more out and on if you can.
> Encourage the new
> > folks, even if you take them along and do a few hours.
> They will get
> > ""bit"" by the bug and then you and they will have
> more fun.
> >
> > On another subject, I am the VUAC rep down here in the
> Pacific Division. Am
> > hoping to make Seaside but it is real iffy at the
> moment. If I do, it will
> > be a last minute thing for me. Lots of work discussing
> the various things
> > before any recommendations are amde. It must be noted
> that most comments do
> > NOT come until after the recommendations are made.
> While some folks do not
> > like what is in the rules others do. Can not satisfy
> every one. As far as
> > ""assistance"" goes, you can make schedules to your
> hearts content before
> > the contest. That gives you frequency and time. Make a
> whole bunch !! It
> > is just that during the contest it is NOT
> allowed--with certain
> > exceptions--because of a few things that have happened
> in the past. Yes,
> > there is possibly some telephone or private e-mail
> "contacts" made but the
> > only one being hurt is the person doing it. What
> happened to being the
> > operator in the contact ?? Why do folks have to rely
> on realtime schedules
> > and exchange of information by other than radio ?? Do
> ALL your scheduling
> > before and then do some listening also.
> >
> > Yes, I know that technology has changed. However, in
> the contests we are
> > talking about there are certain rules. Other contests
> thru out the year you
> > can do what you want. A lot of effort and discussion
> has gone into things.
> > Give it chance to settle down for a couple of years to
> see how it goes
> > rather than want an immediate change because someone
> does not like it.
> > This is kinda like the Forest Practice Rules I worked
> with as a Forester in
> > California. Some folks would scream for rule changes
> when they did not like
> > them and they had only been in effect 10 days. Some of
> the rules took a few
> > years to see what would happen. They were watched
> closely tho.
> >
> > This is a HOBBY so relax a bit folks. In the long run
> all will work out
> > well. Maybe some day I will have the setup to have the
> computer just
> > monitor all the frequencies and make the contacts,etc,
> while I am out at the
> > lake fishing !!!
> >
> > 73 Len PSSSS Mikes notes below are really TRUE !!!!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <eaglepoint.or@juno.com>
> > To: <k3uhf@hotmail.com>
> > Cc: <ve7dxg@rac.ca>;
> <pnwvhfs@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 11:05 AM
> > Subject: [PNWVHFS] Re: Reasonable Tropo
> >
> >
> > >
> > > As those of you who do make the effort to go
> mountain topping or
> > > roving know it takes a lot of preparation and
> expense for these
> > > expeditions and also it is difficult to find
> other VHF interested
> > > hams to help with the efforts unlike field day
> where every one
> > > seems to show up. The cost per QSO gets pretty
> high. And now with
> > > the Forest service and other agencies slowly
> closing off many
> > > of the past popular mountain sites also makes it
> more difficult.
> > >
> > > I think if we could some how encourage more folks
> with home stations
> > > to equip them selves to at least the level of
> equipment dragged
> > > to mountain tops, it would encourage more guys to
> make the effort.
> > >
> > > Invest in a preamp and an antenna a little better
> than a 20 year
> > > old Cushcraft FM yagi, dump the RG-58 feed line,
> get a set of head
> > > phones, turn you antenna once in a while away
> from Portland and San
> > > Francisco direction.
> > >
> > > I have worked into Canada almost every year from
> Mt Ashland (CN-82)
> > > on 6, 2 & 70 cm with various stations during
> the June contest.
> > >
> > > Please get some good aluminum up (and maybe get
> on CW), the path is there!
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > WB6FFC
> > >
> > >
> > >
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